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MatchboxVagabond
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26 Aug 2024, 7:43 am

ToughDiamond wrote:
I've lost count of how many unelected Prime Ministers our last Tory government foisted on us, and I guess that's less democratic than switching the Presidential candidate just before an election, so I wasn't too fussed about the Harris thing. Once a leader becomes a tarnished brand, like "sleepy Joe" had, the party notices and tries a fresh face. Of course there'll be some dissent from those who don't think the tarnish was so bad, and there may be a bit of a battle within the party. Not exactly a coup.

It's a different system. You're not stuck with a PM for 4 years and they can lose their position at any time.

The problem is also that the same corrupt people get picked every time and large numbers of people don't even bother to vote because it has ceased to really matter, both parties are completely corrupt.



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26 Aug 2024, 7:47 am

MaxE wrote:
ToughDiamond wrote:
I've lost count of how many unelected Prime Ministers our last Tory government foisted on us, and I guess that's less democratic than switching the Presidential candidate just before an election, so I wasn't too fussed about the Harris thing. Once a leader becomes a tarnished brand, like "sleepy Joe" had, the party notices and tries a fresh face. Of course there'll be some dissent from those who don't think the tarnish was so bad, and there may be a bit of a battle within the party. Not exactly a coup.

I think most of the fuss has more to do with the personalities involved than the principle. Most of those crying foul over Harris' nomination would be perfectly content had they nominated Tulsi Gabbard.

Not really, you say that, but you're just telling on yourself. You don't really care about democracy that much if you think that. It could be any number of candidates, but at the end of the day, policy does matter and candidates need to earn their votes or they have no legitimacy to trade on when in office. It's how the whole system works.



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26 Aug 2024, 7:58 am

ASPartOfMe wrote:
The closest to the current situation occurred in 1972. At the convention the nominee Sen. George McGovern chose Sen Thomas Eagleton to be his running mate. It was revealed that Eagleton had been hospitalized three times for depression and had undergone electroshock treatment. There was much more of a stigma about mental health in those days and in the middle of the cold war having a person with those issues “having the finger on button” of nukes was considered unacceptable. After 18 days Eagleton was forced to withdraw his candidacy.


That's interesting, but Eagleton was the VP pick. The Democratic presidential nominee himself wasn't touched. That actually kind of reminds me of the aftermath of the 2008 election when McCain said he didn't really want Sarah Palin as his VP in the first place. I agreed with Bill Maher - if you can't even pick your own VP with confidence, then how can you be president and make important decisions?