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16 Mar 2025, 7:32 pm

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Supporting Israel this unconditionally allows or allowed dopes like Schumer to finally be put in this position by people like Trump at this stage of the game, where they can still get outflanked in these kinds of ways.


My guess is honestly that the Muslim population in states like Michigan that has already moved to the USA was less upset about the Palestine stuff, and already saw the Gaza thing as as good as written-off. The bigger deal seems to be more stuff like the Drag Time Story Hours that are making their ways into schools in these very liberal parts of the world in Canada and the Northern United States, where conservative Muslim communities are increasingly frequently entering into conflict with people like extremely liberal white educators who think they know everything and "what's good for everyone."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 639375001/

I suspect Palestine and Gaza was just the pretext to mask the real conflict that was about to explode with people like Michigan's female-dominated Democratic party of liberal women, including people like their Attorney General Dana Nessel who has called for "a Drag Queen in Every school" and has said "Everything is better with a Drag Queen".... Like our King Henry IV once had his famous winning slogan "A Chicken in Every pot," it's now deteriorated to where the Dumbocrats try and run on "A Drag Queen in Every school"... so no wonder they now lose.


She makes a joke about a fake issue, and you try to pretend like the joke is a serious policy proposal instead of mockery of the fake issues right-wingers love to seethe about.

Are you sure you're not a parody of a Trump supporter? :scratch:


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16 Mar 2025, 7:43 pm

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Jewish, Muslim groups condemn Trump’s use of ‘Palestinian’ as slur to put down Schumer
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President Trump’s use of the term ‘Palestinian’ as a racial slur is offensive and beneath the dignity of his office,” ...


Trump...offensive and beneath the dignity of his office... Dang, who has the time or bandwidth to do THAT list...


Just wait until he claims that he is YHWH.



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17 Mar 2025, 12:54 am

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Supporting Israel this unconditionally allows or allowed dopes like Schumer to finally be put in this position by people like Trump at this stage of the game, where they can still get outflanked in these kinds of ways.


My guess is honestly that the Muslim population in states like Michigan that has already moved to the USA was less upset about the Palestine stuff, and already saw the Gaza thing as as good as written-off. The bigger deal seems to be more stuff like the Drag Time Story Hours that are making their ways into schools in these very liberal parts of the world in Canada and the Northern United States, where conservative Muslim communities are increasingly frequently entering into conflict with people like extremely liberal white educators who think they know everything and "what's good for everyone."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 639375001/

I suspect Palestine and Gaza was just the pretext to mask the real conflict that was about to explode with people like Michigan's female-dominated Democratic party of liberal women, including people like their Attorney General Dana Nessel who has called for "a Drag Queen in Every school" and has said "Everything is better with a Drag Queen".... Like our King Henry IV once had his famous winning slogan "A Chicken in Every pot," it's now deteriorated to where the Dumbocrats try and run on "A Drag Queen in Every school"... so no wonder they now lose.


She makes a joke about a fake issue, and you try to pretend like the joke is a serious policy proposal instead of mockery of the fake issues right-wingers love to seethe about.

Are you sure you're not a parody of a Trump supporter? :scratch:





Not a fake issue; DQSH in schools is absolutely real and has been going on and promoted from above.

But I will say, all these Democrats and liberals should keep being in this kind of denial like this and calling these kinds of things "fake issues" in front of these kinds of communities like the Muslims in Dearborn and Hamtramck, and they will lose even worse in 2028.



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17 Mar 2025, 9:51 am

Htaxu3 wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
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Supporting Israel this unconditionally allows or allowed dopes like Schumer to finally be put in this position by people like Trump at this stage of the game, where they can still get outflanked in these kinds of ways.


My guess is honestly that the Muslim population in states like Michigan that has already moved to the USA was less upset about the Palestine stuff, and already saw the Gaza thing as as good as written-off. The bigger deal seems to be more stuff like the Drag Time Story Hours that are making their ways into schools in these very liberal parts of the world in Canada and the Northern United States, where conservative Muslim communities are increasingly frequently entering into conflict with people like extremely liberal white educators who think they know everything and "what's good for everyone."

https://www.detroitnews.com/story/news/ ... 639375001/

I suspect Palestine and Gaza was just the pretext to mask the real conflict that was about to explode with people like Michigan's female-dominated Democratic party of liberal women, including people like their Attorney General Dana Nessel who has called for "a Drag Queen in Every school" and has said "Everything is better with a Drag Queen".... Like our King Henry IV once had his famous winning slogan "A Chicken in Every pot," it's now deteriorated to where the Dumbocrats try and run on "A Drag Queen in Every school"... so no wonder they now lose.


She makes a joke about a fake issue, and you try to pretend like the joke is a serious policy proposal instead of mockery of the fake issues right-wingers love to seethe about.

Are you sure you're not a parody of a Trump supporter? :scratch:





Not a fake issue; DQSH in schools is absolutely real and has been going on and promoted from above.

But I will say, all these Democrats and liberals should keep being in this kind of denial like this and calling these kinds of things "fake issues" in front of these kinds of communities like the Muslims in Dearborn and Hamtramck, and they will lose even worse in 2028.

It's really a stupid position of them to take. It does little to activate the left voters and does a ton to activate the right. It shouldn't be any sort of an issue to do DQSH and it is 100% bigotry that wants kids not to be exposed to it. It's not like they're engaging in sexy stripteases or anything like that.

The bigger issue is that the party leadership takes positions on things like gender affirming care for minors, bathroom and sports league privileges that are incredibly unpopular while refusing to run on things or promise things that are affirmatively popular. I'm at a loss as to why to vote blue these days as the party consistently refuses to run on popular issues and plays dead the moment they get any opposition on the rare case where they try to do something for the voters.



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17 Mar 2025, 12:14 pm

There have been several times it was an actual striptease show, like one infamous time in Texas with lingerie and a catwalk and a neon sign reading "It's not going to "l--k itself"..... It is kind of nebulous though just how widespread all these Drag Queen hours are in Western Countries, but I don't see the doubt that they are happening and more-or-less promoted from above.

I think to some extent, they have basically been used as entrapment, like what happened with Patriot Front; as in the system knows one of these is going on or arranges it, more-or-less, in a way that's going to be controversial, and then waits for the inevitable backlash from angry conservatives, and then the FBI tracks and/or arrests the people that turn up as backwards Bible-thumpers and as extreme-MAGAs and these kinds of irreconcilable threats to woke normalcy.

I completely agree though, the Democrats in the USA have just tried to only run on being extremely Woke and cater on to this now doubling-down tenfold, but they don't offer anything like Universal Health-Care and can't and won't, because they are complete corporate tools and utterly bought and paid for that are beyond the hope of any reform... so they have to hope they can activate enough of their base voters with Drag Queens and such.



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17 Mar 2025, 2:22 pm

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There have been several times it was an actual striptease show, like one infamous time in Texas with lingerie and a catwalk and a neon sign reading "It's not going to "l--k itself"...


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21 Mar 2025, 2:58 pm

After a certain point, aren't we all Palestinians? The U.S. government doesn't care about a single one of us. No one, not a single person on this board.... or possibly this entire planet. :shrug:



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21 Mar 2025, 3:05 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
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There have been several times it was an actual striptease show, like one infamous time in Texas with lingerie and a catwalk and a neon sign reading "It's not going to "l--k itself"...


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21 Mar 2025, 5:21 pm

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After a certain point, aren't we all Palestinians? The U.S. government doesn't care about a single one of us. No one, not a single person on this board.... or possibly this entire planet. :shrug:


^^^ Well the shadow government anyway



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21 Mar 2025, 5:33 pm

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After a certain point, aren't we all Palestinians? The U.S. government doesn't care about a single one of us. No one, not a single person on this board.... or possibly this entire planet. :shrug:


^^^ Well the shadow government anyway

Any speculative fiction about a conspiratorial shadow government (or illuminati or space lizards or whatever) who secretly don't care about the people under their rule, is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that we have a real government made up of very ordinary humans who very transparently don't care about the people under their rule.



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21 Mar 2025, 5:57 pm

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Any speculative fiction about a conspiratorial shadow government (or illuminati or space lizards or whatever) who secretly don't care about the people under their rule, is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that we have a real government made up of very ordinary humans who very transparently don't care about the people under their rule.


As far back as 1961, the outgoing US president Dwight Eisenhower warned:
"the very structure of our society. In the councils of government, we must guard against the acquisition of unwarranted influence, whether sought or unsought, by the military-industrial complex. The potential for the disastrous rise of misplaced power exists and will persist."

So I am speaking of an unholy alliance of Military-Industry-Intelligence agencies-Media who profit financially from war and whom influence the appointment of members of congress in the US government whose political rise is bankrolled by private money whose specific interests are looked after by government. Yes you are right, people have lost the trust of the government made up of ordinary humans, but they are manipulated by various special interest groups in the shadows like puppets with strings. these groups are also made up of ordinary people (not lizard men) but with access to wealth and significant leverage.



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21 Mar 2025, 6:04 pm

Barchan wrote:
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After a certain point, aren't we all Palestinians? The U.S. government doesn't care about a single one of us. No one, not a single person on this board.... or possibly this entire planet. :shrug:


^^^ Well the shadow government anyway

Any speculative fiction about a conspiratorial shadow government (or illuminati or space lizards or whatever) who secretly don't care about the people under their rule, is ultimately just a distraction from the fact that we have a real government made up of very ordinary humans who very transparently don't care about the people under their rule.




This stuff and regular people calling their democratic PC leaders "lizard people" and stuff like this are really just oblique attacks against a ruling system that people have been extremely discontented with, but very difficult to attack directly or otherwise as outwardly its democratic institutions.

In France before the French Revolution, there was a lot of this flying around that was very similar to this sort of thing and presaging this like Pizzagate where people accused the aristocracy of doing trafficking-rings, withholding harvests to cause famines, abducting and drinking blood, huge corrupt billion-level scandals they were successfully concealing and then calling it a "conspiracy" when they were accused of such..... It seems like people were attacking this way and getting these charges going or continuing because they were angry about the state of things, but they couldn't really frame the issues directly or put it together in such a way with academic framing to attack this kind of power head-on.

Before the French Revolution, people cheered when the French armies would get defeated on the battlefield in the Seven Years War because the alliance with Austria was so unpopular; perhaps paralleling with what's going on with Zelensky now and "supporting Ukraine".




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21 Mar 2025, 6:16 pm

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In France before the French Revolution, there was a lot of this flying around that was very similar to this sort of thing and presaging this like Pizzagate where people accused the aristocracy of doing trafficking-rings, withholding harvests to cause famines, abducting and drinking blood, huge corrupt billion-level scandals they were successfully concealing and then calling it a "conspiracy" when they were accused of such..... It seems like people were attacking this way and getting these charges going or continuing because they were angry about the state of things, but they couldn't really frame the issues directly or put it together in such a way with academic framing to attack this kind of power head-on.


Not quite, starvation and food shortages, particularly concerning bread, played a significant role in fueling the French Revolution, with poor harvests and rising prices leading to widespread hardship and anger towards the ruling class. When people have nothing to eat then that's enough to overthrow their government.



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21 Mar 2025, 7:52 pm

Not really, the French Revolution was more like similarly in the Russian Revolution that there were a lot more in the growing middle class that had been through education and felt they "deserved more" and were in-general being cut out of the kinds of jobs that would have given them this kind of middle-class life. The actual famines compared to the previous milleniae or so of history had relatively little to do with something this unprecedented of this nature, although they did ultimately help at a critical moment when the rural aspect had to kick in.

This is why in my opinion, what liberal governments in the West have mostly been catering to in my lifetime has been to make sure that people of white-collar backgrounds that have been through plenty of education always have plenty of bureaucratic jobs lined up for them, in order that repeats of the French, German, Russian Revolutions don't happen, and this kind of unhappiness doesn't come from these quarters. By contrast, they care less about making sure people who feel like their lot in life is to only work at gas stations and such are especially contented and that their larger Maslowian needs are met.

It's definitely my informed opinion though that attacking elites as "Lizard people" and this sort of thing is a way of attacking from people that are lashing out in this sort of way, but don't have a means of framing it. It seems to be these kinds of vicarious presaging attacks though when these kinds of things about the elites drinking blood and stuff start getting thrown around, that this larger undercurrent of unhappiness is going on and that something big about to upset the applecart is ready to happen against "the elites."



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21 Mar 2025, 8:15 pm

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It's definitely my informed opinion though that attacking elites as "Lizard people" and this sort of thing is a way of attacking from people that are lashing out in this sort of way, but don't have a means of framing it. It seems to be these kinds of vicarious presaging attacks though when these kinds of things about the elites drinking blood and stuff start getting thrown around, that this larger undercurrent of unhappiness is going on and that something big about to upset the applecart is ready to happen against "the elites."


I would posit if anyone was going to subscribe to Lizard people it would be the MAGA/Qanon crowd > liberals



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22 Mar 2025, 3:18 am

In general, mainstream neo-liberal leaders like Tony Blair and Obama have been far more friendly to the wishes of liberals just in society, IMO, and have been doing what they want like on social-progressive issues, so there's less of a reason for people who identify as centre-leftists and Democrats to start suggesting that such figures are "Lizard people". These associations on people that completely go with-the-grain with them would not make any sense.

For someone like me though, if people like Antonio Blair ripped their faces off and it was something that looked like Jar Jar Binks or Predator on underneath - at this point seriously in 2025 after all this, I'd just be like, "Oh, ok, that explains all of it."


With the French Revolution though, why it really "happened", like I said, was that in France basically any meaningful job in the military, high bureaucracy, court, or clergy could only be held by a noble, which was usually some disinterested son of some Duc or Comte that was completely disinterested and inept, and there were a ton more of middle-class sons by the late 1700s that had been through higher education were totally cut out of important jobs, and by this time they were making a ton of trouble and were looking for any way to be cut into the system and to effectively run it.... "Famines" though, were basically things that happened every 5 or 6 years and so frequently for 1000 + years, and people dealt with them and none of these were ever anything new really that people hadn't experienced before and ultimately did things like eat nuts and roots to get around.