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01 Jun 2025, 9:56 pm

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there's a lot of anger and hatred, not sure how killing two FE staff solves anything

maybe its not up to us to decide who deserves what punishment...


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01 Jun 2025, 10:22 pm

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I don't care if Jewish civilians are placated by knowing the real motive vs. a falsehood being pushed by genocidal monsters in order to further justify their actions in Gaza.


I am not muddying the waters?, I am trying to understand what's going on in your head? there is no evidence the two Israeli's murdered (who by the way were engaged to be married) are in any way associated with the conflict in Gaza. And how exactly does making Jewish civilians in foreign countries feel intimidated and worried about their personal safety and the safety of their children somehow justified?

Dude, they worked for the embassy, while that doesn't make it OK to kill them, it's intellectually dishonest to suggest that they weren't associated when they literally work for an organization that's partially responsible for the PR and obtaining the funding from the US to get the weapons they're using. You act like they were random Israelis.
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there's a lot of anger and hatred, not sure how killing two FE staff solves anything

maybe its not up to us to decide who deserves what punishment...

It's possible to be against both these killings and the killings in Gaza by the IDF. Unfortunately, there's a bunch of people using this as an excuse as to why they don't have to care about the ethnic cleansing.



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01 Jun 2025, 10:50 pm

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I don't care if Jewish civilians are placated by knowing the real motive vs. a falsehood being pushed by genocidal monsters in order to further justify their actions in Gaza.


I am not muddying the waters?, I am trying to understand what's going on in your head? there is no evidence the two Israeli's murdered (who by the way were engaged to be married) are in any way associated with the conflict in Gaza. And how exactly does making Jewish civilians in foreign countries feel intimidated and worried about their personal safety and the safety of their children somehow justified?


How is that even a realistic concern? Employees of a genocidal government were targeted, not random Jewish civilians.

Maybe Israeli embassy staff should be worried, but not random Jewish American civilians.

Because antisemites also conflate all Jews with Israel. We have seen less violent versions of this in some of the protests.


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01 Jun 2025, 11:59 pm

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Dude, they worked for the embassy, while that doesn't make it OK to kill them, it's intellectually dishonest to suggest that they weren't associated when they literally work for an organization that's partially responsible for the PR and obtaining the funding from the US to get the weapons they're using.


who get's to decide who deserves to get killed? Working for Israel? you do know Palestinians are also employed by the Israeli government right?

And where do you draw the line?



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02 Jun 2025, 12:01 am

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Maybe Israeli embassy staff should be worried, but not random Jewish American civilians.


Even the Nazis were allowed to maintain embassies in the US.



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02 Jun 2025, 12:03 am

MatchboxVagabond wrote:
It's possible to be against both these killings and the killings in Gaza by the IDF


Its muddying the water further and no good will come from it



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02 Jun 2025, 12:10 am

^^^ Water was already muddy after Oct 7. Anyone who pretends otherwise is kidding themselves.



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02 Jun 2025, 1:00 am

Boulder under lockdown as Egyptian man injures 6 protestors asking to free hostages in Gaza.


Attempting to burn people, with many of the victims needing emergency skin grafts over much of their bodies while shouting anti-semitic remarks.

It looks like the targets are no long embassy staff.



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02 Jun 2025, 9:20 am

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Boulder under lockdown as Egyptian man injures 6 protestors asking to fhostages in Gaza.


Attempting to burn people, with many of the victims needing emergency skin grafts over much of their bodies while shouting anti-semitic remarks.

It looks like the targets are no long embassy staff.

I posted an article about this attack in the blowback thread. As of this writing there is no evidence the suspect said anything against Jews in particular.

While it is important to distinguish between antisemitism and anti zionism the most important thing that connects Colorado, Washington, and the torching of Governor Shapiro’s home is the belief that anyone and anything that has any association with Zionism is a legitimate target. Of course October 7th was a result of this mentality. In America up until now this took non violent forms such as tearing hostage posters down, blocking zionists, banging on doors of dorm rooms.

The terrorist attacks combined with most Jews being Zionists in one way or another makes efforts to denconflate anti zionism and antisemitism a lost cause for the time being.


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02 Jun 2025, 10:22 am

cyberdora wrote:
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Dude, they worked for the embassy, while that doesn't make it OK to kill them, it's intellectually dishonest to suggest that they weren't associated when they literally work for an organization that's partially responsible for the PR and obtaining the funding from the US to get the weapons they're using.


who get's to decide who deserves to get killed? Working for Israel? you do know Palestinians are also employed by the Israeli government right?

And where do you draw the line?

I don't the Israelis have been intentionally murdering civilians. And for decades before that they've shown a callous indifference to the people protesting. It's a bit much to now cry foul over it.

I don't think it's right, but they murdered Rachel Corrie over 20 years ago and it's even more clear now that they're doing it on purpose.

I don't like that the violence is starting to spread to the US, but I'm also not the sort of useful idiot that thinks it's not a predictable consequence of the US funding the genocide and Israel's efforts to crack down on peaceful protests and demonize the protesters either.

With every instance where the Israelis intentionally more civilians and aid workers it gets that much harder to view them as being anything other than monsters.



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02 Jun 2025, 10:25 am

enz wrote:
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It's possible to be against both these killings and the killings in Gaza by the IDF


Its muddying the water further and no good will come from it

Nonsense. It's what being a decent human being entails. The two situations are not of equal severity at this stage and likely never will be. But that doesn't mean that this terrorist attack is okay.



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02 Jun 2025, 1:14 pm

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Because antisemites also conflate all Jews with Israel. We have seen less violent versions of this in some of the protests.


I agree, it's just ironic (along with some harsher adjectives) when fans of Israel engage in antisemitism while trying to attack others for alleged antisemitism.


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02 Jun 2025, 1:17 pm

cyberdora wrote:
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Maybe Israeli embassy staff should be worried, but not random Jewish American civilians.


Even the Nazis were allowed to maintain embassies in the US.


And? What point are you trying to make?

Last I checked no one's saying attacking the embassy staff was righteous, only that antisemitism wasn't the motive.


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02 Jun 2025, 1:19 pm

enz wrote:
there's a lot of anger and hatred, not sure how killing two FE staff solves anything

maybe its not up to us to decide who deserves what punishment...


When did anyone claim it would solve anything? :scratch:

So far the discussion has been about the motive, not whether or not the attacks can be justified.


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02 Jun 2025, 2:10 pm

I don’t agree that conflating anti zionism and antisemitism is automatically antisemitism.

Was the Colorado event a pro zionist one?


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Participants are urged to bring flags of countries whose citizens are held hostage so I very sure Israeli flags were flown. One could argue that makes it zionist vigil. IMO that is incorrectly falling into the mentality I discussed earlier.


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I don’t agree that conflating anti zionism and antisemitism is automatically antisemitism.

Was the Colorado event a pro zionist one?

Run for Their Lives Website


Participants are urged to bring flags of countries whose citizens are held hostage so I very sure Israeli flags were flown. One could argue that makes it zionist vigil. IMO that is incorrectly falling into the mentality I discussed earlier.


I wouldn't describe it as pro-Zionist, although I concede some others might.

The hostages are ultimately a separate but adjacent cause to Zionism.


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