Bible banned from Texas schools for being sexually explicit

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28 Jun 2025, 5:53 pm

The Bible is especially inappropriate for elementary school and middle school-aged children. There’s far too much sex and violence in it, and it can get pretty graphic in its descriptions. It also has some extremely messed up messages (like about gender and consent) that wouldn’t be healthy for kids to be reading. With that being said, I was thinking that it could have a place in a high school library for research purposes for literature and history papers, perhaps especially for AP classes. Then again, students would likely just use online Bibles. It would probably be best to keep religious texts out of schools because they cause more problems than they’re worth.



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28 Jun 2025, 5:53 pm

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Why is that?

I saw horses and cattle going at it when I was still quite young. I didn't know what I was observing, but it didn't badly affect me.


It's still nasty sexual content, just because it's in a cult's handbook doesn't change that or make it suddenly kid friendly.


We just considered it part of living.



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28 Jun 2025, 5:58 pm

Lots of "parts of living" aren't child appropriate, so I fail to see your point.


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28 Jun 2025, 6:05 pm

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The fundamentalists own weapon was turned against them. Serves them right.


Reminds me of Martin Niemöller's quote - First they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a socialist. Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out—because I was not a trade unionist. Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—because I was not a Jew. Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

Christian conservatives thought they were being clever, electing state reps to enforce book bans. Little did they realise the laws they supported would eventually come for them.



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28 Jun 2025, 6:13 pm

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I don't remember anything in the Bible that was all that explicit.

To be offended by any so-called sexual depictions in it, I think that you have to be really intent on being offended.


Everyone thinks of gays when Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned. Not me. I think of Lot and his daughters.

Lot offers his two virgin daughters up for gang r@pe in order to quell a violent mob. He escapes the city with his wife and two virgin daughters. The wife is soon dead. He gets drunk over a couple of nights and impregnates both daughters. Blames them for it.


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28 Jun 2025, 6:14 pm

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And while it’s easy to target billionaires, the truth is not all billionaires are evil. Some inherited their wealth, some do invest in positive causes, and some are just cogs in a system that rewards exploitation whether they ask for it or not. It’s the system itself that’s the problem—not always the individuals inside it.

The problem with billionaires is not that all of them are evil, but that they have too much power, un-elected and unaccountable.

We need this power to be greatly reduced, e.g. via greater inheritance taxes.

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What we need isn’t more outrage—we have plenty of that.

Sorry, but outrage is necessary to get anything done in politics, especially if your cause isn't funded by billionaires. To get anything done in politics without lots and lots of money, you need lots and lots of people to get off their butts and pressure elected officials to make the desired changes. And, to motivate lots and lots of people to get off their butts, you need outrage. That's just how things work, and you can't wish that fact away.

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What we need is a new architecture for how power is distributed, how voices are heard,

We need that, too. But we probably won't get there without quite a bit of outrage at the current system.

We do need more than just outrage. We also need calm, reasoned voices to calm down people who are outraged at the wrong things and have gotten caught up in bigotry and moral panics. (See the thread How to persuade people to turn away from bigotry?.)


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28 Jun 2025, 6:15 pm

^^^ Don't forget Noah's antics



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28 Jun 2025, 6:17 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:
Sorry, but outrage is necessary to get anything done in politics, especially if your cause isn't funded by billionaires. To get anything done in politics without lots and lots of money, you need lots and lots of people to get off their butts and pressure elected officials to make the desired changes. And, to motivate lots and lots of people to get off their butts, you need outrage. That's just how things work, and you can't wish that fact away.


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28 Jun 2025, 6:20 pm

The thing is, ultimately, it doesn't matter if the sex and violence is deserving of the same ratings as such movies as 'Saw', or 'The Erotic Adventures of Zorro'. The fact is that Bible Thumpers are getting books banned that are no worse than the Bible for such content.

They're happy to have sex and violence available, if it's Christian sex and violence. They just want to ban books that deal with people and subjects that they don't like.


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28 Jun 2025, 6:27 pm

DoniiMann wrote:
kokopelli wrote:
I don't remember anything in the Bible that was all that explicit.

To be offended by any so-called sexual depictions in it, I think that you have to be really intent on being offended.


Everyone thinks of gays when Sodom and Gomorrah are mentioned. Not me. I think of Lot and his daughters.

Lot offers his two virgin daughters up for gang r@pe in order to quell a violent mob. He escapes the city with his wife and two virgin daughters. The wife is soon dead. He gets drunk over a couple of nights and impregnates both daughters. Blames them for it.
It’s mostly just a fabricated and unflattering origin story about how two of the Israelites’ enemies - the Ammonites and Moabites - came to be. It’s likely based on earlier myths and legends. Still, I certainly wouldn’t say that it’s appropriate for children. 8O



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28 Jun 2025, 6:57 pm

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Lots of "parts of living" aren't child appropriate, so I fail to see your point.


I was also a first or second grader when I first saw pigs being born and maybe third or fourth grade when I watched a cesarian section performed on sows when they were unable to give birth to the pigs trying to be born.

Also, when I was an eighth grader or so, I sat on a horse and watched the veterinarian perform an autopsy on a steer or heifer that had died. It turned out that it had died from a massive heart attack which is very unusual for steers and heifers.

So I should have been kept shut up in the house and not allowed to go out to the barn or to have anything to do with horses, cattle, pigs, dogs, cats, and goats?

No wonder when I was a kid that I thought that city kids were stupid and naive.



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28 Jun 2025, 7:01 pm

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So I should have been kept shut up in the house and not allowed to go out to the barn or to have anything to do with horses, cattle, pigs, dogs, cats, and goats?
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That's right! We shouldn't have allowed you to be exposed to impure thoughts. :shameonyou:


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28 Jun 2025, 7:04 pm

I’m seeing some false equivalency here in the comparisons people are making. Sex as it’s portrayed in the Bible among people isn’t the same thing as what one might see with farm animals if one is raised on a farm. There’s a great deal of lewdness and even sexual violence in the Bible that is extremely inappropriate for children and could cause some harm to those who are exposed to it.



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28 Jun 2025, 7:19 pm

We're all just mammals.


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28 Jun 2025, 7:41 pm

If my memory serves me correctly, Sunday school had a "Children's bible" so at least up to 12 children weren't exposed to the more graphic stuff till they were older and able to handle it.



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28 Jun 2025, 7:47 pm

Honey69 wrote:
We're all just mammals.

We tend to eat cows, pigs, etc. but not fellow humans. Once again, it’s false equivalency to suggest it’s the same thing.

Exposing children to pornographic material is considered CSA because of the psychological harm it causes according to the research. When you factor in the lewd, violent, and otherwise toxic passages in the Bible, it’s really not hard to see how it could at least be damaging to impressionable young people. I’m not saying it’s pornographic, but it’s still not appropriate for kids. I also have concerns about them internalizing some of the more harmful BS that’s in there. School really isn’t where they should be learning that stuff. Well, kids do learn harmful BS from their peers, but schools should strive not to provide books that are essentially how-to manuals for oppression and bigotry.