Can the Women's Discussion be women only please?

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25 Sep 2007, 10:33 pm

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Just how many sub-forums with restricted access do
you suggest then?


I wasn't actually suggesting any of them be created. It was a response to the claim that my request is:
violentcloud wrote:
a completely reasonable request, but not when there isn't *any* place specificly for mens discussion.

I was trying to say that being for a women-only forum did not make me against other subgroups who might want a private area (and I've no idea if there even are any). I see now that in trying to re-focus on my topic I unintentionally led it further astray - lol.

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I think that the name is fine. Changing
the description, since that was NEVER
the case anyhow, would probably be
a good move.


That would be nice. I recognize that it's really not a big deal in the grand scheme, but it would be helpful if the forum matched the description, or the other way around. Guess I should have put it that way from the start!



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25 Sep 2007, 10:34 pm

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But, there become difficult issues surrounding
those with gender issues (by the modern meaning),
of which there are a number here.


Yeah, If say the man's forum was returned and only men could post in the men's forum and women in the women's forum, I'd have no idea of where I could post. Or even if I could post in either forum in the first place.



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26 Sep 2007, 6:21 am

If there is so much worry about men posting in the womens forum then why not make it private ?


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26 Sep 2007, 8:22 am

COMET wrote:
If there is so much worry about men posting in the womens forum then why not make it private ?

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That's what's being discussed in this thread, along with reasons why that seemingly easy and beneficial solution might be anything but.



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26 Sep 2007, 8:29 am

I always assumed it was coded to exclude males... never tried clicking on it... don't think I ever will either... it would be like eavesdropping on ladies room conversations, creepy and perverted...

I have no interest in a male only forum either, we don't need one...



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26 Sep 2007, 8:45 am

There are 2 things

- posts on Women Only should not be posted on public board

- forum should be coded women only

Could we agree on the first one?



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26 Sep 2007, 8:49 am

The first point sounds reasonable. It wouldn't truly hinder anyone from checking the forum for updates, it simply wouldn't be broadcasting them to the world. For a place that's supposed to have a sense of security about it...that's kind of necessary to address.

Already covered the second. :P



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26 Sep 2007, 8:54 am

I'd settle for the first point.

For the second point, I think you mentioned curiosity? But I don't care if men are curious about my ob/gyn, for example. Curiosity is kinda creepy.



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26 Sep 2007, 9:05 am

I'm not disagreeing, curiosity about certain subjects can certainly come across as creepy.
I vaguely remember seeing one user posting numerous times in the women's discussion with questions he had, and even I was a bit creeped out by it.

Yes, I've browsed that forum at times, but whether or not I view a thread depends on what the title is listed as.

For example, glancing at the listed titles:

SHAVING - uh...not interested. I shave my face, I'm sure that thread has nothing to do with that, can't think of anything to be gained from reading such a thread.

Differences in outward behaviour of male and female aspies - That could be really interesting.

I get the feeling that, for at least some of the threads in there, the thread was made in that section because of the expected audience of primarily women, not because of some sense of privacy. At least based upon the title, I can't see how the second thread would be one that a woman wouldn't want men to be able to read.



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26 Sep 2007, 10:36 am

shadexiii wrote:
<snip> ... I can't see how the second thread would be one that a woman wouldn't want men to be able to read.


But why should that be necessary?



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26 Sep 2007, 10:51 am

Claradoon wrote:
shadexiii wrote:
<snip> ... I can't see how the second thread would be one that a woman wouldn't want men to be able to read.


But why should that be necessary?


If the thread was merely soliciting the opinion of women, there's no reason that it should be hidden from men. If it is something that could be informative, something that could benefit someone regardless of their sex, then it shouldn't be hidden.

I can appreciate the desire for privacy for some of the more personal topics, but to have a little "girls only" area where guys are not allowed simply because they are male is ridiculous.

If this kind of thing is to be argued, then I have to go back on what I previously said and state that it is only fair to have a private, closed off mens forum. I think it is absurd, but it would only be fair.
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26 Sep 2007, 11:18 am

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If this kind of thing is to be argued, then I have to go back on what I previously said and state that it is only fair to have a private, closed off mens forum. I think it is absurd, but it would only be fair.


Of course if you do that then you'd also need a private Androgynous forum, because there are several people here who are neither male, nor female, as well as people who are both



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26 Sep 2007, 11:19 am

Triangular_Trees wrote:
Of course if you do that then you'd also need a private Androgynous forum, because there are several people here who are neither male, nor female, as well as people who are both

No disagreement there.



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26 Sep 2007, 1:01 pm

shadexiii wrote:
Claradoon wrote:
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<snip> ... I can't see how the second thread would be one that a woman wouldn't want men to be able to read.


But why should that be necessary?


If the thread was merely soliciting the opinion of women, there's no reason that it should be hidden from men. If it is something that could be informative, something that could benefit someone regardless of their sex, then it shouldn't be hidden.

I can appreciate the desire for privacy for some of the more personal topics, but to have a little "girls only" area where guys are not allowed simply because they are male is ridiculous.

If this kind of thing is to be argued, then I have to go back on what I previously said and state that it is only fair to have a private, closed off mens forum. I think it is absurd, but it would only be fair.
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Whoa, stop defining everything! You define threads as opinions or information. You define Women's Forum as "little", "girls only", and "ridiculous." You define the existence of a Women's Forum as conditional on another forum.

Are you arguing to hear the sound of your own voice?

There are threads that women don't want to share with men. What part of that do you not understand? It is irrelevant whether you judge it to be little or ridiculous or absurd. You don't happen to be a dinosaur, do you? Your terminology is familiar, but very old.



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26 Sep 2007, 1:18 pm

Claradoon wrote:
Whoa, stop defining everything! You define threads as opinions or information. You define Women's Forum as "little", "girls only", and "ridiculous." You define the existence of a Women's Forum as conditional on another forum.

I don't get how you came to these conclusions.

The idea of a private forum for women to discuss things they feel uncomfortable discussing in public is not ridiculous. Nor would I label it with the laughable "girls only" title, or "little."

Trying to limit access to threads that have already been made, that the original poster had no intention of keeping "private," simply because it is already in that forum, and because privacy is "deserved," that is absurd. As is the argument that there needs to be a forum for men that is private if there is a forum for women that is private.

On the other forum, it is restricted to women, and a request must be made to one of the administrators to be given access. I'm not defining it, someone else already did: the forum administrator / creator.
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Are you arguing to hear the sound of your own voice?

No.
Are you getting frustrated, and resorting to personal attacks?
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There are threads that women don't want to share with men. What part of that do you not understand? It is irrelevant whether you judge it to be little or ridiculous or absurd.

Trying to lock an already public forum is absurd, as I already stated. You don't seem to understand that I appreciate the feelings of some women on here that would like a little privacy when it comes to some topics. I'm all for that. I'm not for it being used as a blanket-excuse to change a forum that is already well established and open for all.

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You don't happen to be a dinosaur, do you? Your terminology is familiar, but very old.

Again with the personal attacks? You must be really riled up. ;)



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26 Sep 2007, 1:40 pm

Leave the personal attacks out of this. If you can't support your argument without them, then you have no argument. If you have no argument, there is no point in posting. So either post on topic or not all, don't just throw around personal attacks because you have nothing legitimate to say. It distracts from the conversation at hand, thereby making it extremely difficult for any type of consensus to be reached, and may even result in the thread being locked as inappropriate, instead of enabling the thread to be used is a place for discussion and debate.