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08 Aug 2005, 7:08 pm

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If folk here in Scotland didn't have knives then they would use something else.
Is there anyway to control these things without having everyone under constant surveillance?


If you come up with a better idea let us know. Until then i support moves to clamp down on knife culture with surveillance. The crime on my street sure dropped when CCTV cameras got installed recently. Also what else would they use that is commonplace in scotland as small, deadly and as well concealed as knives?



If you want a knife all you need is a peice of metal, some duct tape, and a flat stone.


All you will do is disarm the honest people. :(



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08 Aug 2005, 7:18 pm

There are already caveats in the law for people that have a reson to carry knives. I suppose the government could go the other way and legalise knives altogether. For me they should either crack down big time or else legalise it because as things stand it is all the hoodlums going about with knives and the honest people are left without enough defence.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:19 pm

there wasn't much crime in 1984


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08 Aug 2005, 7:21 pm

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You need to look at the big picture Tak. Just because you havent caused any deaths doesnt mean they arent happening. There is a lot of deaths of innocent people in the usa due to the high gun ownership. Do you think your hobby is more important than lives? Couldnt you just use air rifles or paintguns or something?


I know America, banning things does NOT work here, there are MILLIONS of guns, I have at least four. You couldnt get them out in 100 years, you send a gun collecting truck down the street here and tell people to bring them out, like they did in England, we will shoot the truck.

And again I am a law abiding, non drug using adult, disarming me accomplishes nothing, all we need ot do is enforce the laws, and take the revolving doors off the Jail. If I killed someone I could be out in as little as six years, thats the problem, not armed citizens. The problem is lack of resposiblity.

The areas in the US with the most gun violence are the cities with the zero tolerance no guns at all bans.

And I know what the second amendment means. I'll give up my gun when I die. And if the goverment wants to kill me to take it, thats the way it goes.

I can quote the milita act if you like.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:22 pm

Tak wrote:
eamonn wrote:
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If folk here in Scotland didn't have knives then they would use something else.
Is there anyway to control these things without having everyone under constant surveillance?


If you come up with a better idea let us know. Until then i support moves to clamp down on knife culture with surveillance. The crime on my street sure dropped when CCTV cameras got installed recently. Also what else would they use that is commonplace in scotland as small, deadly and as well concealed as knives?



If you want a life all you need is a peice of metal, some duct tape, and a flat stone.


All you will do is disarm the honest people. :(


You cant deny the fact that murder rates of innocents are much higher in the USA than places where guns arent commonplace and one of the main reasons are guns. Arent you guys sick of the amount of children and adults that are dying because of gun ownership? Many of them accidently.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:23 pm

Tak wrote:
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You need to look at the big picture Tak. Just because you havent caused any deaths doesnt mean they arent happening. There is a lot of deaths of innocent people in the usa due to the high gun ownership. Do you think your hobby is more important than lives? Couldnt you just use air rifles or paintguns or something?


I know America, banning things does NOT work here, there are MILLIONS of guns, I have at least four. You couldnt get them out in 100 years, you send a gun collecting truck down the street here and tell people to bring them out, like they did in England, we will shoot the truck.

And again I am a law abiding, non drug using adult, disarming me accomplishes nothing, all we need ot do is enforce the laws, and take the revolving doors off the Jail. If I killed someone I could be out in as little as six years, thats the problem, not armed citizens. The problem is lack of resposiblity.

The areas in the US with the most gun violence are the cities with the zero tolerance no guns at all bans.

And I know what the second amendment means. I'll give up my gun when I die. And if the goverment wants to kill me to take it, thats the way it goes.

I can quote the milita act if you like.


Thanks. You have just proved my point entirely.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:36 pm

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You cant deny the fact that murder rates of innocents are much higher in the USA than places where guns arent commonplace and one of the main reasons are guns. Arent you guys sick of the amount of children and adults that are dying because of gun ownership? Many of them accidently.



You are getting your stats from HCI . I can tell.

We have a lower rate of stabbings than England, but no one will mention that, and bombs are all but unheard of. Peope will use what they have.

When facists want to trod on citiizens its always under the cover of "save the children"

I've lived in a major city my whole life, I've never fired a gun in anger, never seen a gun fired in anger. Never known anyone shot outside active duty service. Don't comfuse the us with us tv.

If someone is irresposible with a gun blame the PERSON not the gun!

A person who leaves a gun where a child can get at it is criminally negligent, and should be prosecuted, just the same as if they had left drugs or car keys.

What am I going to do? Call the police? With a response time of 1-3 HOURS? The police don't care and when you call from a poor neighborhood you are more likeley to get harassed by the cops, especially if you are in an unpopular minority. Ever been beaten up or harassed by the cops?

Called a cop to a problem house I was renting in where four drunks wre trying to beat my ass. The cops said they were sick of the building and If I called again they would break my legs.

Ever nursemaid a 15 year old the policew beat and left for dead because he called the policeman a name? Ever have a cop call you a fag or a cocksucer out of a patrol car? YOu want to be under the "tender care" of the goverment, you do that. But if you make less than $40.000 dollars a year don't expect much.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:37 pm

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there wasn't much crime in 1984


I know what your getting at but have been threatened with knives many times. Have even ended up using a knife myself but dont ever want to put myself in that position again. What do you suggest i do?



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08 Aug 2005, 7:38 pm

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Thanks. You have just proved my point entirely.



My point was the places in the US with the vast majority of gun crime already have banned guns. If thats your point you are welcome. :)

Criminals love unarmed victims, and especialy defenseless queers.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

I won't get killed by a Sean.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:41 pm

Tak wrote:
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Thanks. You have just proved my point entirely.



My point was the places in the US with the Vast majority of gun crime alrady have banned guns. If thats your point you are welcome. :)


No my point was it seems to be about being a cowboy and you sounded like one. :)



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08 Aug 2005, 7:43 pm

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Thanks. You have just proved my point entirely.



My point was the places in the US with the Vast majority of gun crime alrady have banned guns. If thats your point you are welcome. :)


No my point was it seems to be about being a cowboy and you sounded like one. :)


No, Im exercising my rights. you are using a slur.

I'm a lesbian jewler. You are aparently a shallow person who like to make narrow minded stereotypes.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:47 pm

Tak wrote:
eamonn wrote:

Thanks. You have just proved my point entirely.



My point was the places in the US with the vast majority of gun crime already have banned guns. If thats your point you are welcome. :)

Criminals love unarmed victims, and especialy defenseless queers.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

I won't get killed by a Sean.


I have had run-ins with police before but i have to say overall they sound better than were you live. I have been in some pretty drastic situation with gangs that were armed with knifes, bottles, bats etc and i would have loved to have had a gun but i dont think it is the road to go down as we dont want your crime rates, particularly murder rates but if you think you having a gun is more important than that then fair enough, i wont argue with you.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:50 pm

Tak wrote:


And I know what the second amendment means. I'll give up my gun when I die. And if the goverment wants to kill me to take it, thats the way it goes.

I can quote the milita act if you like.


Im sorry if your taking this as a slur but the last time i heard talk like that was in a cowboy movie. Me saying you sounded like one with a quote is not the same as calling you one. Its just my opinion.



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08 Aug 2005, 7:52 pm

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You are aparently a shallow person who like to make narrow minded stereotypes.


Now thats a slur! See the difference?



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08 Aug 2005, 8:02 pm

Tak wrote:
I know America, banning things does NOT work here, there are MILLIONS of guns, I have at least four. You couldnt get them out in 100 years, you send a gun collecting truck down the street here and tell people to bring them out, like they did in England, we will shoot the truck.

And again I am a law abiding, non drug using adult, disarming me accomplishes nothing, all we need ot do is enforce the laws, and take the revolving doors off the Jail. If I killed someone I could be out in as little as six years, thats the problem, not armed citizens. The problem is lack of resposiblity.

The areas in the US with the most gun violence are the cities with the zero tolerance no guns at all bans.

And I know what the second amendment means. I'll give up my gun when I die. And if the goverment wants to kill me to take it, thats the way it goes.

I can quote the milita act if you like.

HEY! WE ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING!! ! :jester:

If criminals can find ways to make knives in prision, they will have no trouble making knives on the street. You don't even need metal to make a blade.



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08 Aug 2005, 8:12 pm

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Tak wrote:
I know America, banning things does NOT work here, there are MILLIONS of guns, I have at least four. You couldnt get them out in 100 years, you send a gun collecting truck down the street here and tell people to bring them out, like they did in England, we will shoot the truck.

And again I am a law abiding, non drug using adult, disarming me accomplishes nothing, all we need ot do is enforce the laws, and take the revolving doors off the Jail. If I killed someone I could be out in as little as six years, thats the problem, not armed citizens. The problem is lack of resposiblity.

The areas in the US with the most gun violence are the cities with the zero tolerance no guns at all bans.

And I know what the second amendment means. I'll give up my gun when I die. And if the goverment wants to kill me to take it, thats the way it goes.

I can quote the milita act if you like.

HEY! WE ACTUALLY AGREE ON SOMETHING!! ! :jester:

If criminals can find ways to make knives in prision, they will have no trouble making knives on the street. You don't even need metal to make a blade.


Its not about making them. Having knives wont be ilegal. It is about carrying them and i know for a fact that knife crime goes down when there are crackdowns on them. The Dunblane tragedy has already told us that we dont want guns in homes. I am pretty sure that i would be in jail right now and at least one of the gangmembers i would be fighting would be dead if i had acess to a gun because it is too easy. I have been shot by airguns before and im glad that it was only airguns and not high calibre guns. BTW there is going to be legislation to crack down on them too.