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31 Dec 2007, 10:40 am

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America is not headed towards a governmental fascist state at all. Fascist states have been shown to, in almost every instance, crumble as easily as the democracies that preceded them. What we are headed towards is a global corporate police state. I, for one, cannot believe that someone as stupid as Bush could actually wield such power effectively (unless he's smarter than he lets on). What is happening is this: Large companies (think Halliburton) give a large campaign donation to a certain candidate (Bush) to nominate a certain running mate (Cheney). In exchange, Cheney grants Halliburton (which he still has stock options with) no-bid contracts to provide for all sorts of business ventures in Iraq and areas affected by Katrina.

In effect, a multinational corporation/conglomerate/what have you becomes so rich that they're able to buy the world, and then a future that is even more grim than a fascist state awaits. Not only will many of the fascist restrictions be in place, but people will be forced to work 90 hours a week just to make enough money to buy basic provisions (sold at inflated prices, of course). The main force that eventually overcomes a fascist state is that voice of the people that said fascist states expend much effort to supress. Well, a corporatist state has options available to it that fascist states do not: the tools of McCarthyism. If any voices dissent, the corporation merely has to "blacklist" the dissenter, that is, to deny them access to any money (through long work hours for substandard wages) at all, and once the voices fall silent, the dissenters have been pacified and can be "plugged" back into the system. It's efficient, preserves the productivity that the dissenters would not provide if imprisoned or killed, and it avoids the controversies surrounding genocide.

We, as a global community, are headed for far worse waters than fascism (or even the most hard-line collectivism) ever was. If any of you out there are Trekkies, just think about the Borg and you will catch my meaning... to corporations, people are just cogs in the grand machine.


I agree.

This is why we need either a depression, or to stop our reliance on these people in the first place. Grow our own foods, find someone with a well and start a cooperative, generate our own electricity so we don't rely on the grid, go back to haggling and bartering for goods...


Thus, corporations must be monitored and restricted to avoid that ever happening.


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31 Dec 2007, 10:47 am

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Thus, corporations must be monitored and restricted to avoid that ever happening.

To be honest, I agree more with Izaak(I'll also be honest in saying that I phrased my statement wrong, collusion is more likely to happen than spontaneous monopoly of all markets but on such a massive scale it is still very unlikely). I think that the monitorers and forces of that nature are much more likely to send us into tyranny than corporations as they are the traditional tyrants and I would think they would have the most incentive to become tyrants.



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31 Dec 2007, 11:21 am

The US government was originally designed around distrust. The legislature branch was designed to watch the executive branch (and vice versa) and the judicial was designed to watch them both. At present the corporate money has purchased both Congress and the presidency and the combination has appointed a majority of the judicial branch so, in effect, the corporations are in control. The system has broken down.



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01 Jan 2008, 1:26 am

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That essay reeks of BS and chips! America is not Fascist, and their is very little chance of this happening.


I dunno...I think America's afraid enough of its government to let it happen.



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05 Jan 2008, 6:26 am

I never understood the bit about the laws of u. s. A. being deactivated in cases of emergency. Is it true that the very law can be - ironically, by legal means - overruled, or is it merely a confused rumor?
If it is true, yeah, I'd say we're doomed. :lol: I just don't get it.


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05 Jan 2008, 6:30 am

The Fascism in America is more like Communism.



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05 Jan 2008, 8:35 am

mikecartwright wrote:
The Fascism in America is more like Communism.

No, I really think that we are heading more towards something like fascism, if only because of things such as corporate welfare, regulations, and our lack of concern for equality. I don't think our economy will actually be directly owned by the state like in communism, but rather be underhandedly controlled by the state like in fascism. Really though, the difference is not that huge given that the USSR was the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics and Naziism is often considered both national socialism and Fascism, so really, both ways we are going towards some socialist ideology.



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11 Jan 2008, 7:42 pm

Ok, which one of you is the federal agent fishing for rebels? :wink:



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12 Jan 2008, 12:16 pm

fascism, certianly is scary. :(


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12 Jan 2008, 1:24 pm

I think it'll end up becoming more of a neo-feudalist dictatorship.



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19 Jan 2008, 7:28 am

1984 design pattern

Doesn't Christianity follow the same pattern to



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19 Jan 2008, 12:23 pm

Yes, religions are allegories, business plans. I can explain much of this to you chav, but I will tell you that with what I will show you it might very well change your perception of the world around us. Just write back through my mailbox here or my regular email.