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05 Mar 2008, 5:06 pm

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I apologize, I shouldn't make fun of you. Your grammar and spelling are atrocious though, which lends itself to ridicule. I'll not make fun of you, but it would be nice if you improved these items and made less universal statements.

Personally, I feel that people who don't bother with proper capitalization, punctuation, etc., have little regard for their readers. I find it somewhat narcissistic. They have very little influence with me. I tend to ignore them. Maybe you should do the same.


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05 Mar 2008, 5:12 pm

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Wow, what a laughable attempt at attacking the Bible!! !
We are certainly laughing at you.



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05 Mar 2008, 5:21 pm

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iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Wow, what a laughable attempt at attacking the Bible!! !
We are certainly laughing at you.
Go ahead, how much do I value your opinion? The suggestion that the entire camp of Israel, 6,000,000 people abouts, had to be under the influence of drugs is not only economically impossible but utterly ridiculous!



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05 Mar 2008, 5:26 pm

MrMark wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I apologize, I shouldn't make fun of you. Your grammar and spelling are atrocious though, which lends itself to ridicule. I'll not make fun of you, but it would be nice if you improved these items and made less universal statements.

Personally, I feel that people who don't bother with proper capitalization, punctuation, etc., have little regard for their readers. I find it somewhat narcissistic. They have very little influence with me. I tend to ignore them. Maybe you should do the same.
It's called "style over substance." You fail.



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05 Mar 2008, 5:32 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I apologize, I shouldn't make fun of you. Your grammar and spelling are atrocious though, which lends itself to ridicule. I'll not make fun of you, but it would be nice if you improved these items and made less universal statements.
maybe you should let the lord know about your displeasure with my grammer son. i need a miricle


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05 Mar 2008, 5:33 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Griff wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Wow, what a laughable attempt at attacking the Bible!! !
We are certainly laughing at you.
Go ahead, how much do I value your opinion?
Insufficiently, as per usual.

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The suggestion that the entire camp of Israel, 6,000,000 people abouts, had to be under the influence of drugs is not only economically impossible but utterly ridiculous!
Don't be childish. By the same argument, it's economically impossible for six million Hebrews to have wheat every night for dinner. Hallucinogenic herbs are no more difficult to grow and harvest. Furthermore, it would only have been necessary for those who had an influence over the writing to have been affected with such substances. The others need only have been confused.



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05 Mar 2008, 5:41 pm

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Don't be childish. By the same argument, it's economically impossible for six million Hebrews to have wheat every night for dinner. Hallucinogenic herbs are no more difficult to grow and harvest. Furthermore, it would only have been necessary for those who had an influence over the writing to have been affected with such substances. The others need only have been confused.


You actually think Shanon's argument has any worth? :roll: That's incredible. Laugh all you want, you're the dope.



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05 Mar 2008, 5:48 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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Don't be childish. By the same argument, it's economically impossible for six million Hebrews to have wheat every night for dinner. Hallucinogenic herbs are no more difficult to grow and harvest. Furthermore, it would only have been necessary for those who had an influence over the writing to have been affected with such substances. The others need only have been confused.


You actually think Shanon's argument has any worth?
You are confused. I was pointing out that your counter-argument lacks substance.

I am insufficiently informed to deliver an opinion on Shanon's hypothesis, but I need no further information to conclude that you are ridiculous.



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05 Mar 2008, 5:57 pm

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I am insufficiently informed to deliver an opinion on Shanon's hypothesis, but I need no further information to conclude that you are ridiculous.
well that certainly got a small laugh outta me :lol:


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05 Mar 2008, 6:07 pm

Whatever.



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05 Mar 2008, 6:08 pm

:lol:


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05 Mar 2008, 6:24 pm

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The suggestion that the entire camp of Israel, 6,000,000 people abouts, had to be under the influence of drugs is not only economically impossible but utterly ridiculous!



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By the same argument, it's economically impossible for six million Hebrews to have wheat every night for dinner.


They were living in the Sinai desert, their food was mainly quail and manna (or "hoax frost" a naturally occurring substance.)

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Hallucinogenic herbs are no more difficult to grow and harvest.


True, if agriculture were possible there.

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Furthermore, it would only have been necessary for those who had an influence over the writing to have been affected with such substances.


Even for the plagues, miracles, entire host of Israel hearing God speak the Ten Commandments personally? Nobody would notice this?

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The others need only have been confused.


Right. :roll:



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05 Mar 2008, 7:17 pm

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They were living in the Sinai desert, their food was mainly quail and manna (or "hoax frost" a naturally occurring substance.)
That's "Desert of Paran," the exact location of which seems to be an uncertainty. Limited agriculture is difficult but feasible in many desert regions, and this includes the Negev. which is widely considered the most probable location of the Desert of Paran. Nomads have scraped out an existence there for nearly as long as Mankind has been around.

It is noteworthy that I do not consider the Bible an authoritative historical document.

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Even for the plagues, miracles, entire host of Israel hearing God speak the Ten Commandments personally? Nobody would notice this?
Parsing error.



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05 Mar 2008, 8:06 pm

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That's "Desert of Paran,"


Southern Sinai Peninsula, Sin desert or Desert of Paran, yes.



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05 Mar 2008, 8:52 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
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That's "Desert of Paran,"


Southern Sinai Peninsula, Sin desert or Desert of Paran, yes.
You still have it wrong. The location of the Wilderness of Paran is never specified. You're confusing Mt. Sinai with the Sinai Peninsula. People do this all the time, but it's wrong. Mt. Sinai probably received its name due to its reputation for being a source of divine guidance, which is something with which the moon is strongly associated. The names are otherwise unrelated.



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05 Mar 2008, 8:55 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Wow, what a laughable attempt at attacking the Bible!! !


Its just a theory on how an event in the bible hapenned. Why would you consider it an 'attack'? :?

The drug being discussed is DMT. Its a component of many plants, including the acacia bush ('burning bush'? ;) ) as mentioned in the article. It also occurs naturally in humans in low levels - every single one of us.

It therefore seems reasonable to conclude that the religious experience is a result of heightened DMT levels, either through meditative practices, plant use or 'contact highs' - being near other people having the experience. This biblical event could have resulted from either or a combinative effect - but its reasonable to conclude that an event of such magnitute would be much more likely to have happened with the use of plants.