Does Hillary Staying in the Race Doom Eventual Dem Nominee?

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Does Hillary Staying in the Race Doom Eventual Dem Nominee?
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03 Apr 2008, 11:17 pm

Obama has a strong track record for gaining ground, though, and he has a good record for bouncing back from adversity.



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03 Apr 2008, 11:25 pm

Griff wrote:
he has a good record for bouncing back from adversity.



such as...



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04 Apr 2008, 9:32 am

skafather84 wrote:
such as...


Such as the fact that Hillary was once considered the 'inevitable' nominee and was polling 50% to Obama's 20%. That he later went on to win some states Hillary was projected to win handily.

Or even just being a black person of modest means when went on to Harvard and became a constitutional law professor.



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05 Apr 2008, 3:54 am

Hilary's going to lose because she hasn't gotten the kind of support Obama's been working his ass off to get. She hasn't put in the face time she has to to get the support of the people. She pretty much expects America to choose her because she's Hilary Clinton, but has never answered the question of WHY people should vote for Hilary Clinton.


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08 Apr 2008, 12:29 pm

Posted: Tuesday, April 08, 2008 9:52 AM by Domenico Montanaro
From NBC's Domenico Montanaro
Clinton has picked up the support of Arkansas superdelegate Mark Wilcox.
"Land Commissioner Mark Wilcox, who was selected last month as the Arkansas Democratic Party's last remaining superdelegate to the national convention, said Monday he's supporting the New York senator," the AP reports. "Wilcox says the only way he'd change his mind is if Clinton drops out of the race before the convention this summer.

"Wilcox's support gives Clinton 11 of the state's 12 superdelegates, members of Congress and other party leaders who are not selected in primaries and caucuses."

Clinton holds a 256-225 superdelegate lead over Obama. In the overall count, Obama leads by 133 (1,641 to 1,508). He has a 164 pledged-delegate lead (1,416 to 1,252).

http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/archive/ ... 68516.aspx



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08 Apr 2008, 12:34 pm

Any candidate who doesn't stay in the race to the very end doesn't deserve to have entered the race in the first place.

When candidates drop out before everyone has a chance to vote in the primaries, they are telling you that your vote doesn't matter. If they can't value the vote of all Americans, they have no right to be asking for the vote of one american

If the candidates truly think its too much costs to keep their campaign goin through all the primaries, then why do they insist of having the primary dates so widely set apart? And why are states punished for moving the dates so that the voters in their states don't routinely face being completely ignored because the candidates drop out before that state gets to vote.


If the candidates believed half the crap they spiel about needing money to go after the other party and valuing the votes of all Americans, they wouldn't be trying to get the other candidates to drop out. They'd be trying to get the primaries moved to the same period of time, so their wouldn't be a need to campaign for an additional 6 months after the first primaries, and to run the same expensive ads on the same stations months apart because the stations have viewers in 2 0r 3 states and so voters in all states would be equally valued, rather than having some highly sought after and others completely ignored.



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08 Apr 2008, 1:50 pm

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Does Hillary Staying in the Race Doom Eventual Dem Nominee?


Hopefully so. No one -- Republican, Democrat, or Independent -- needs the likes of Clinton or Obama running the country. (shiver)
Unless you've just got a thing for economy crashes. Obama clearly doesn't understand how the economy works, and Hillary, while she may understand it better, just doesn't give a rat's -- she's gonna push her already-once-failed national healthcare plan through if she gets the power to, no matter how many Americans she shafts in the process.

I like women, and I like black people, but that woman and that black man are simply not presidential material. It would be great if they were, though, because we could then have a historic first with either one of them in the White House.

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According to the Huffington Post blog, Obama was addressing a crowd of fundraisers in San Francisco on Sunday when he began talking about his choice for vice president, and said he would choose someone who adds to his expertise.


In other words, everyone in the country send in your résumés. :lol:


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08 Apr 2008, 3:38 pm

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Hopefully so. No one -- Republican, Democrat, or Independent -- needs the likes of Clinton or Obama running the country. (shiver)
Unless you've just got a thing for economy crashes. Obama clearly doesn't understand how the economy works, and Hillary, while she may understand it better, just doesn't give a rat's -- she's gonna push her already-once-failed national healthcare plan through if she gets the power to, no matter how many Americans she shafts in the process.

I like women, and I like black people, but that woman and that black man are simply not presidential material. It would be great if they were, though, because we could then have a historic first with either one of them in the White House.


Well, with the economy, Obama will be a slave to the cabinet's advice, and Hillary will enslave the cabinet with her advice.

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According to the Huffington Post blog, Obama was addressing a crowd of fundraisers in San Francisco on Sunday when he began talking about his choice for vice president, and said he would choose someone who adds to his expertise.

In other words, everyone in the country send in your résumés. :lol:


No, Obama will just get résumés from San Fran, since there are millions of liberals to choose from.


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08 Apr 2008, 3:44 pm

matrix wrote:
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According to the Huffington Post blog, Obama was addressing a crowd of fundraisers in San Francisco on Sunday when he began talking about his choice for vice president, and said he would choose someone who adds to his expertise.

In other words, everyone in the country send in your résumés. :lol:


No, Obama will just get résumés from San Fran, since there are millions of liberals to choose from.




dunno about that...i'm sure he can get enough from china and the cfr.



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08 Apr 2008, 4:04 pm

Ragtime wrote:
No one -- Republican, Democrat, or Independent -- needs the likes of Clinton or Obama running the country. (shiver) Unless you've just got a thing for economy crashes.

Umm, it's already crashing:

Recession Worries Drove Rate Cut, Minutes Show

". . . continuing problems in the financial markets, persuaded most Fed governors to cut interest rates by three-quarters of a point in March, a move intended to stimulate an economy that some officials said was facing 'a more severe and protracted downturn' than they had initially anticipated."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/busin ... nted=print

Ragtime, can you tell us which party, and which candidate, you think can fix this? :D



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09 Apr 2008, 12:12 am

CityAsylum wrote:
Ragtime, can you tell us which party, and which candidate, you think can fix this? :D


yes, Ragtime, we are all a'twitter .. .

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09 Apr 2008, 12:37 am

CityAsylum wrote:
Ragtime wrote:
No one -- Republican, Democrat, or Independent -- needs the likes of Clinton or Obama running the country. (shiver) Unless you've just got a thing for economy crashes.

Umm, it's already crashing:

Recession Worries Drove Rate Cut, Minutes Show

". . . continuing problems in the financial markets, persuaded most Fed governors to cut interest rates by three-quarters of a point in March, a move intended to stimulate an economy that some officials said was facing 'a more severe and protracted downturn' than they had initially anticipated."

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04/08/busin ... nted=print

Ragtime, can you tell us which party, and which candidate, you think can fix this? :D



psh, that's just liberal spin. the market is doing great.

the dow jones is stronger than ever with rupert murdoch at the helm.



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09 Apr 2008, 11:07 am

skafather84 wrote:
the market is doing great.
the dow jones is stronger than ever with rupert murdoch at the helm.

Skafather clearly does not own stocks :wink:



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09 Apr 2008, 11:19 am

CityAsylum wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
the market is doing great.
the dow jones is stronger than ever with rupert murdoch at the helm.

Skafather clearly does not own stocks :wink:



funny thing is i have the opportunity to now and the market is just tanking. bomb -> interest rate cut -> return back to level -> bomb even more. that's been the pattern of the market lately and i'll wait out till something is settled before i jump in. i don't trust this interest rate cut gambit.



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09 Apr 2008, 11:29 am

skafather84 wrote:
CityAsylum wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
the market is doing great.
the dow jones is stronger than ever with rupert murdoch at the helm.

Skafather clearly does not own stocks :wink:

funny thing is i have the opportunity to now and the market is just tanking. bomb -> interest rate cut -> return back to level -> bomb even more. that's been the pattern of the market lately and i'll wait out till something is settled before i jump in. i don't trust this interest rate cut gambit.

Actually, it might be a good time to throw a little money in, while the market sneaks up a little in the next few weeks.

After it bottomed out a couple of weeks ago, I moved some of my cash reserves into stocks on the slight interest rate upswing - made some bucks, and now I may move it back into cash reserves 'till the market stabilizes. Not yet though, there is still a slight upward creep.