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19 Oct 2005, 7:52 pm

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I assumed she meant talking with other Christians.


Maybe. It doesnt say much for them then if they cant have discussions of faith with a fellow christian. They must just see it as a way to conform and be acceptedrather than have thoughts of their own or any great conviction of their beliefs.



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19 Oct 2005, 10:48 pm

A lot of people don't like talking about Religion or Politics because it is very cut-throat.
HannahCapps,
I don't want to pry into things that you want to keep to yourself however; if there are some deep questions that you would like to answer, bring them up.
It may spark up a new debate.

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19 Oct 2005, 10:50 pm

eamonn wrote:
Sean wrote:
I assumed she meant talking with other Christians.


Maybe. It doesnt say much for them then if they cant have discussions of faith with a fellow christian. They must just see it as a way to conform and be acceptedrather than have thoughts of their own or any great conviction of their beliefs.

I know what type you are talking about. I get the feeling that she is not that type. She seems to me like the type that has tried to talk to what you are calling "conformists" and got belittled. I'll be interested to hear what else she has to say on the matter.

Converting isn't the issue here, so I'm not sure why you care so much in the first place.



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20 Oct 2005, 4:53 am

Sean wrote:
I know what type you are talking about. I get the feeling that she is not that type. She seems to me like the type that has tried to talk to what you are calling "conformists" and got belittled. I'll be interested to hear what else she has to say on the matter.

Converting isn't the issue here, so I'm not sure why you care so much in the first place.


I didnt say she was the type. I was talking about the people who where rude to her. Am i not allowed to have a say on the matter because i am no longer a christian? That is the type of close-mindedness that helped make me question my belief in christianity in the first place.



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20 Oct 2005, 1:47 pm

I dont think theres very many young adults who dont question their faith at some point in time, the important thing is that you keep it.


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20 Oct 2005, 1:59 pm

That sounds like your trying to tell her what to do as opposed to making up her own mind. Making up your own mind once you have weighed up all the evidence is the most important thing imo. Im not going to tell anyone (in all seriousness) to just believe what i believe or else your damned or a lesser person. It seems that all that fire and brimestone/ dictatorship/scare tactics/conformity type of argument is prevalent amongst a lot of christians.



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20 Oct 2005, 3:47 pm

I was assuming she wants to keep her faith, this seems to be a why do I have these doubts kind of post, maybe you should stop stereotyping eamonn its gotten you in trouble before.


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20 Oct 2005, 4:14 pm

I havent been warned for generalising as of yet (ive been in trouble here for being in a flamewar) and certainly havent been kicked out of any chatrooms over taking the mick out of the other users. You should note you have done some stereotyping yourself before you launch a character assasination. :x



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21 Oct 2005, 5:32 pm

Sean wrote:
Also, try reading Mere Christianity by C.S. Lewis. I think it's the best book on Christian doctine. It should be available at any Christian bookstore. If for any reason you can't get it, I'll find you a link to an online version.


Excellent book. I've been working on reading through it for quite some time now and he's probably one of the most logical authors and is able to explain stuff in a manner that's really easy for me to understand. Another book recommendation is The Case for Christ by Lee Strobel. He was an atheist (or agnostic?) who set out to prove the Gospel wrong and ended up becoming a Christian. I have that book, but haven't had time to start reading it yet.

It's fairly normal to question your faith. I've questioned what I believe in more often that I'd like to admit to other people. If you want, you can PM me about it.


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21 Oct 2005, 11:19 pm

Read, read, read.
I am an Aspie who's first big fetish was Theology.
It is still something that I read and think about a lot.

I have studied very heavily all the major traditions except Islam.
I just never had much interest in Islam outside of Sufism.

I think the mystics from every tradition say much of the same things.
They just interpret the mystic path from their own cultural perspective.
Those who are the most advanced also seem to have the highest regard for advanced thinkers from the other traditions.

In response to the topic header.
Spiritual growth is about adopting new ideas and new ways of being.
Because of that, the path is arduous, it also appears to get more narrow.

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30 Oct 2005, 6:02 am

There is indeed NOTHING evil about questoining! In my humble opinion, God is pretty tolerant: I figure he's big enough to take me giving him a thorough ticking off every now and then! Oh, that and Christianity isn't about knowledge of facts, it's about faith in God, and without doubting and questioning, you don't have faith: you have knowledge, in which case there would be no hard work, believing in God would be as straightforward as believing in atoms.

By all means, question, argue, I even yell at him when I need to let off steam! Nothing wrong with it, so eat your heart out!

I wouldn't say that your parents are bigoted or anything, we all understand and interpret our faith differently, and they no doubt grew up in the era of fear and awe and submission to God in the form of doing everything straight away, no questions asked. Don't forget, Jesus says we must be like children to enter heaven, and I ask you, have you ever known a child that ISN'T full of questions? They question everything, but at the end of the day they still believe! :) Hope I helped1


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