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What do we do with corporate bosses?
Strip them of their money, and chuck 'em in jail. 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
Strip them of their money, and chuck 'em in jail. 12%  12%  [ 4 ]
Tax them into the ground - but no imprisonment 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Tax them into the ground - but no imprisonment 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
Subject them to extra tax and better employment laws 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
Subject them to extra tax and better employment laws 21%  21%  [ 7 ]
No Action 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
No Action 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
What!! These guys are heros!! !! 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
What!! These guys are heros!! !! 6%  6%  [ 2 ]
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26 Oct 2005, 7:10 pm

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Well, thats entirely riddicouls to bar large segments of the population from following their dreams. . . . . . . . .regardless of their psychopathy.

Only about 1% of the population (3% of men and 0.5% of women, I think) is psychopathic. These people tend to be pretty dispicable when they have no interest in "charming" you. Alas, if they have committed no crime, we can't hardly just lock them away. The ideals of equality before the law even apply to those with impairment of their conscience. The problem is psychopaths are really not all that uncommon, and they're just part of the mix that is humanity.

In my opinion, it would be quite fiscally responsible for the government to spend some research dollars on finding more effective treatments for people with a psychopathic personality disorder. This small segment of the population is a disproportionately huge drain on resources, public and private, as it is.



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27 Oct 2005, 6:15 am

All I am saying is that corporations are a major part of the world's problems. They seem to be unaccountable to anyone. For instance, if we here in Britain demand tighter controls on them, they just go off somewhere else, and because they are so big, they take a huge chunk of our economy with them.

Therefore, we cannot control them - they run rings around our governments, demanding fewer rights for workers, and more rights for themselves. There was a time, perhaps 20 years ago, when we could control them, but now they are SO BIG, we cannot. Did you know that some private firms have an income bigger than some African countries? 8O .

Therefore, if we cannot control these beasts, and make them live by the same laws we do, we CAN control the types of people that run the corporations. We can still do that. If we can introduce some sort of screening method to make sure the guys at the top of these beasts are socially responsible people, it might go a long way to solving some of the world's problems.



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27 Oct 2005, 7:34 am

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We have now a GLOBAL ECONOMY and CAPITALISTIC too.

How would You change that. You can not go back to the past.
Economies go forward not backwards. Economies expand not shrink.
Just something to think about.


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27 Oct 2005, 7:50 am

kevv729 wrote:
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We have now a GLOBAL ECONOMY and CAPITALISTIC too.

How would You change that. You can not go back to the past.
Economies go forward not backwards. Economies expand not shrink.
Just something to think about.


nope:

permanent growth is not possible. we're getting to the limits right now, ever noticed that? there is a limited amount of ressources, and if they're gone growth is only possible with exploitation of other countries by "world trade". the problem is: countries which dont let managers and trade delegations into their borders get punished (see--> cuba)
you should think about it!

here in germany free trade becomes a major problem:
companies that work splendid get overtaken by foreign companies and then shut down to eliminate competition. capitalism, eh?!

see the GATS: public services should become private to be more "efficient", it makes me sick!



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27 Oct 2005, 9:27 am

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[W]e CAN control the types of people that run the corporations. We can still do that. If we can introduce some sort of screening method to make sure the guys at the top of these beasts are socially responsible people, it might go a long way to solving some of the world's problems.

That sounds like a good idea, but how long will it be until the screeners are corrupted by money themselves? Would some psychopaths be able to cover the prototypical psychopathic traits well enough to slip under the radar?

Anyway, as the article said, some corporations might want to hire executives with higher levels of psychopathy. Unfortunately, they don't want some humble, honest person who never self-promotes (and, by extension, never self-promotes for the company) to be in charge.



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27 Oct 2005, 1:46 pm

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Anyway, as the article said, some corporations might want to hire executives with higher levels of psychopathy. Unfortunately, they don't want some humble, honest person who never self-promotes (and, by extension, never self-promotes for the company) to be in charge.


That is why it has to be a Government enforced thing. Left to the individual companies, they would never comply. We need a public Ethics Committee, that regularly examines the head's of large companies and is responsible for probing for corruption. On top of that, info about executives of global companies should be made available to the public, so we can judge them better.



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27 Oct 2005, 2:00 pm

Personally I deem it unlikely that most corporate leaders are psychopaths due to the fact that that being a corporate leader is generally considered successful, and psychopaths have great difficulty holding down a job, let alone get promoted, due to their very nature.



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27 Oct 2005, 2:01 pm

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Not all Corporate Leaders are psychopaths!! !

Absolutely!

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Is Bill Gates a psychopath? He is just a good business man.

What are you smoking, and can I have some please :P



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27 Oct 2005, 3:19 pm

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That is why it has to be a Government enforced thing. Left to the individual companies, they would never comply. We need a public Ethics Committee, that regularly examines the head's of large companies and is responsible for probing for corruption. On top of that, info about executives of global companies should be made available to the public, so we can judge them better.



Jawohl Genosse, you're right!

stop appealing, start acting! 8)



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27 Oct 2005, 3:23 pm

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Personally I deem it unlikely that most corporate leaders are psychopaths due to the fact that that being a corporate leader is generally considered successful, and psychopaths have great difficulty holding down a job, let alone get promoted, due to their very nature.


I don't mean criminal psychopaths!! ! There are 2 manifestations of psychopathy. The first is the criminal type, when the affected person shows violent traits even when not provoked. Rarely is such a condition inborn. Most criminals develop this mentality due to be born into a poor, broken home, etc. These people usually end up in jail.

The 2nd type is the "successful psychopath" or the bully. These people are never violent, but are still ruthless in a different way. To be good in the corporate world, one has to be ruthless, and it is these people, who do not care about other people's hardships, that reach the job positions in these companies.

Needless to say, run by these people, the corporations wreck havac on the environment, and rip ordinary people off.



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27 Oct 2005, 3:56 pm

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don't mean criminal psychopaths!! ! There are 2 manifestations of psychopathy.

Psychopaths are traditionally divided into primary and secondary types. Primary psychopaths have the superficial façade and willingness to exploit others; they also often have certain emotional processing deficits. Secondary psychopaths (sometimes called sociopaths because some experts theorize that this form of psychopathy is more heavily influenced by environment) have something similar to ADHD symptoms (impulsiveness, recklessness) often with emotional processing deficits as well; what distinguishes secondary psychopaths from adults with ADHD is that the impulsive behavior tends to be more destructive and the secondary psychopaths tend to prefer living off the work of others rather than making it for themselves. Secondary psychopathy is heavily genetically linked with ADHD.

Primary psychopaths with few impulsive and reckless traits can wreak havoc undetected for longer periods of time. They can actually be more emotionally cold deep down than the garden-variety secondary psychopaths. Secondary psychopaths are actually highly sensitive to negative environmental cues; primary psychopaths are basically just emotionally unresponsive in any form.

However, blue-collar or white-collar, crime is crime. Primary psychopaths who make it to the board room and embezzle funds are still criminals.



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28 Oct 2005, 9:52 pm

Mark wrote:
kevv729 wrote:
Not all Corporate Leaders are psychopaths!! !

Absolutely!

kevv729 wrote:
Is Bill Gates a psychopath? He is just a good business man.

What are you smoking, and can I have some please :P
Bill Gates is a nice guy. :lol:

Bill has transformed the computer industry. If You would have been him You might do the same things he has done. He had a vision how to do it better and he went for it that is a good bussiness man. At least to me.


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30 Oct 2005, 5:44 am

Common misconceptions of psychopaths include

High intelligence, and a preference for intellectual stimulation (music, fine art etc.)
A somewhat vain, stylish, almost "cat-like" demeanor
Prestige, or a successful career or position
A calm, calculating and always-in-control attitude

Note the third in particular.
go
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sociopath for more inforamtion on sociopaths



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30 Oct 2005, 5:48 am

Zounds the computer thinks Sam wrote that. Stupid daft machine.



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30 Oct 2005, 1:00 pm

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Bill Gates is a nice guy. :lol:

Bill has transformed the computer industry. If You would have been him You might do the same things he has done. He had a vision how to do it better and he went for it that is a good bussiness man. At least to me.

Yes, but he is still evil :twisted:

I don't think Gates had much vision. He just happened to be lucky. There was an interesting study reported in New Scientist a while back that had concluded that "good" business men are just people that don't screw up. However, being really successful - expecially Gates, who got lucky with DOS - was entirely down to accidental circumstances rather than any great strategy or vision.

So what about the AS business people, are they bad too? What about those who have tried (and not necessarily succeeded) to build honest businesses for all the staff and customers?



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30 Oct 2005, 10:58 pm

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Call what You may, he is the one that is profiting and controlling it.(computer industry)

For all the other NT's or with AS that have failed I feel for them all. Businesses fail all the time probably 90% of businesses fail around the world.


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