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17 Aug 2008, 3:07 pm

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I would not want to meet the disciples of Alestair Crowley.

They're fairly ordinary people, for the most part. Thelema has become remarkably stodgy. The sociopaths now get attracted to LaVeyist satanism much more than they do to Thelema. Thelema is too much work for them, anyway.

Truth be told, though, Crowley claimed to have been behind the foundation of modern Wicca, specifically with his good friends the Gardners. Supposedly, the whole "Wiccan Rede" was a dumbed down version of the Thelemic Law. The Wiccan Rede goes something like "If you harm none, do as you will." The Thelemic Law is "'Do what thou wilt!' shall be the whole of the Law." Crowley's claim was that the "if you harm none" was added for the unsophisticated masses' consumption. The hoi-polloi couldn't be trusted with complete freedom--they'd screw it up.

I don't know anything about this :shrug:

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17 Aug 2008, 3:09 pm

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This may belong in the university section but anyway I have some friends who claim to be witches (wica or whatever it is called) and pagan. You know, the sort of religions you wouldn't normal hear of until you really got out that christain community setting. Anyway, I am asking, can they really be serious about these religions. Not to say there nothing serious about them but well they seem to really "follow" these. Maybe I'm just expecting a stereotypical vision people of these religions. If you anyone could explain these, particularily wica to me that would highly appreciated.

people who claim to be witches have an unprecedented level of stupid beyond even christianity. they either do beleive it or just say it to keep with the gothic aesthetic. either way you're better off avoiding those people because they're a joke.

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17 Aug 2008, 3:14 pm

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This was mostly told about Pagans. Do you think being Pagan is "more stupid" than being a Christian? :lol:

and I truly liked your joke about "gothic aesthetic" :lol:

you speak like a very superstitious person :wink:

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18 Aug 2008, 12:48 am

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Well I wouldn't say there bad or anything but the pagan thing is still somewhat of "brick wall" I suppose.

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18 Aug 2008, 1:05 am

Dogbrain wrote:

That could have come right out of Crowley's "Theory and Practise of Magick".

I've never read anything of Crowley.

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18 Aug 2008, 1:10 am

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Please explain what you mean. 'Witch' is a very broad term which can apply to the silly teenagers you're thinking of, as well as a diverse range of people and beliefs. I don't know how you write of a group of people so large without thoroughly examining the subject.

Forgive me that assumption. It seems to me you haven't studied paganism at length, because it appears that you believe the category 'witch' to be rather narrow. Please correct me if I'm wrong.

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18 Aug 2008, 1:47 am

The Golden Dawn and Alister Crowley were one of my interests, I was in a bit of state that I had felt personaly the power of magic, and trust me if you do not train your self not to go to far you might feel it is necesery to get more. I looked into Crowley to understand what may have happend before, but I decided against idiolising him when I found he was cast out of the dawn. I think one of my problems is that I have not had much guidence with it so I dont know much of what I have done, and since I have never realy come into contact with any witches I tend to not call myself one.

I know this may sound silly but while on this topic, do any of the ones who know more about this topic understand how magic can corupt you as I think I may have unintentionaly corupted myself. It feels like what I do is not realy the nicest thing as it feels like it is dark, I often wonder if I am meant to control this, one of the tools I have used to fuel myself has been anger and stuff.

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18 Aug 2008, 1:56 am

I dont see why they wouldn't be.

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18 Aug 2008, 2:26 am

With Crowley, you have to look at how his life ended, i think he was broke and unpopular (been a long time since I've read about him), so if he didn't end up being a winner, why would anyone who hopes to emulate him.

I don't think it's a good idea to dabble in that stuff, but it's all encouraged these days. The basic reversal outta that would be (like any follly or trap people fall into) to repent.

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18 Aug 2008, 2:46 am

Paganism has as much legitimacy as Christianity or Islam or Scientology which is to say it has no legitimacy at all. The days of Zeus and Apollo are long gone and in their place we have God, Jesus, Yahweh and Allah. The names may change but the function does not.

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18 Aug 2008, 7:08 am

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Yes but some people really need it. For example there is this one woman who in her childhood continuously thought of killing herself but found comfort in god (christianity). Religion has purpose and is different for everyone.

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18 Aug 2008, 12:30 pm

Betterclassed wrote:

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I wouldn't be against it if it really is a reassurance. However to most people religion is another reason to hate.

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18 Aug 2008, 7:13 pm

Its not so much a reason to hate but an excuse. Take religion out of the equation and haters will fing something else to base it on.

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18 Aug 2008, 8:28 pm

I think religion exacerbates the hatred problem. It creates more divisions. But then again, there are loads of people who find strength in their religion, so power to them.

Bradleigh:
I'm going to try to answer your question. I seem to have a hard time communicating my ideas without going into a whole lot of stuff. How do you mean corrupted? I would be careful with drawing power from anger. I don't think that's healthy. There are times and places to be angry. Anger is very important sometimes. I would rather people be outraged by atrocity than apathetic. But dwelling on anger I don't think is healthy. I think you would be better consulting a psychologist.

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18 Aug 2008, 8:32 pm

Malsane wrote:

There are as many divisions as there are opinions. Religion divides, oh yes, but so does virtually everything else.

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18 Aug 2008, 8:51 pm

People seem to allways find an Us and Them.

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