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iamnotaparakeet
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30 Aug 2008, 12:25 am

That is not the dual language version by Chickering. Also, there was no determinant statement in what I said to absolutely link them. I could be quoting from Luke or Genesis, or the Anglo-Saxon Chronicles, what I said was in relation to my experience with Anglo Saxon and not to the quote.



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31 Aug 2008, 6:54 am

NeantHumain wrote:
Scots is more or less a dialect of English that is sometimes considered to be a separate but closely related language (it's really all semantics). Scots is not the same as Scottish English, which is roughly the standard English language spoken with a Scottish accent and a few Scottish words thrown in. English has been spoken in the Lowlands of Scotland for about as long as Scottish Gaelic has been spoken in the Highlands and on the western coast. The Scots invaded Scotland at roughly the same time as the English invaded England. The Britons (now the Welsh) lived throughout what is now England, and the Picts lived through most of Scotland. The Scots, during the Roman era, lived in Ireland and formed a kingdom called Dál Riata, and the Dalriatians (Scots) later lost their Irish possessions and focused on conquering Caledonia instead. Eventually the kingdoms of Pictland and Scotland merged, forming the Scotland we know today.

Irish Gaelic, Scottish Gaelic, and Manx Gaelic all share a common ancestor, sometimes called Old Irish; together these languages are called the Goidelic languages and together with the Brythonic languages (Welsh, Cornish, and Breton) make up the Insular Celtic languages. The Continental Celtic languages (Gaulish, Lepantian, Celtiberian, and Gallacian) are all extinct. The Celtic languages, possibly through an intermediate ancestor including the Italic languages as its descendants, is a branch of the Indo-European language family.


I can add to that by pointing out that before the Scots arrived from Ireland the original Britons (now the Welsh) actually lived as far north as what is now western Scotland (the kingdom of Strathclyde),where the town of Dumbarton's name means 'fort of the Britons'.Braveheart's surname of Wallace means 'Welsh' and several Scottish names of towns like Glasgow,Renfrew and Lanark are linked to Welsh.The Anglo-Saxon/English influence was originally more prevalent in the south east/Edinburgh but of course it eventually encompassed the whole of the UK and indeed the British Empire.


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31 Aug 2008, 7:09 pm

NeantHumain wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
NeantHumain wrote:
twoshots wrote:
iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Anyone know where the quote is from?

Well, it begins in "Hwæt", so it seems pretty much certain it comes from Beowulf, even if I don't remember the actual Anglo-Saxon for the poem other than that...

Wasn't he referring to his sig quote? He said the long text in Old English was Beowulf in the message itself.


No, I was referring to the quoted text in the context of this thread.

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
I have read the dual language version of Beowulf translated by Howard Chickering, Old English is interesting.
Quote:
Hwät!
[...]
Beówulf wäs breme (blæd wîde sprang),

Now if you took some obscure passage from the middle of it instead of just the opening page, it might have been trickier, especially if you hadn't mentioned the book you pulled it from in the same message.

Solutions aren't always about how difficult they are. You did a brute force method. Totally inelegant. I had the passage named from the first word, by memory.


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31 Aug 2008, 7:45 pm

Now I think the e-book I got the quote from has the error of having the name Beowulf in the first chapter, probably as a conjectural correction of the name Beo which belongs to the son of Scyld. Beowulf the Geat doesn't show up until after the mead hall is broken into by the dragon a few times. First encounter with Beowulf is a couple chapters away where he lands and meets the coast guard.



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31 Aug 2008, 7:50 pm

iamnotaparakeet wrote:
Now I think the e-book I got the quote from has the error of having the name Beowulf in the first chapter, probably as a conjectural correction of the name Beo which belongs to the son of Scyld. Beowulf the Geat doesn't show up until after the mead hall is broken into by the dragon a few times. First encounter with Beowulf is a couple chapters away where he lands and meets the coast guard.

Hmm. "Beowulf" appears in the Anglo-Saxon of my version as well (Beowulf: A New Verse Translation, by Seamus Heany), although it is translated to Beow... :?:


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