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24 Sep 2008, 11:25 am

"Well, Armageddon is not really a foreign policy."

Madeline Albright-secretary of state for Bill Clinton-on the Colbert Report.

Let's make sure Armageddon remains OUT of foreign policy.

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24 Sep 2008, 11:33 am

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"Well, Armageddon is not really a foreign policy."

Madeline Albright-secretary of state for Bill Clinton-on the Colbert Report.

Let's make sure Armageddon remains OUT of foreign policy.

It isn't any kind of policy, are you implying that Palin is going to support an "Armageddon" bill?

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24 Sep 2008, 11:55 am

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It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards.

yeah but to have that backwards primative religion in the second highest seat in the country with potential to move up to the top billing...those people are fine so long as they're on the farms or mcdonald's. putting them in power would be bad, though.

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24 Sep 2008, 12:02 pm

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Sadly I think this will boost her popularity in America...

*sigh*

Alas... Probably.

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24 Sep 2008, 12:41 pm

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It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards.

You don't find this logic just a little biggoted? I mean this is pretty close to people taking shots at Obama because of his ancestral link to Islam. Even if he was a Muslim, I'd still vote for him. Instead of judging some based on what they believe in, we should be judging them based on their political record/problem solving skills. I know an agnostic like me doesn't like being judged by a christian because of what I believe, so what makes someone like you or me any better?

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24 Sep 2008, 1:13 pm

SPCDavid wrote:

matrix wrote:

"Well, Armageddon is not really a foreign policy."

Madeline Albright-secretary of state for Bill Clinton-on the Colbert Report.

Let's make sure Armageddon remains OUT of foreign policy.

It isn't any kind of policy, are you implying that Palin is going to support an "Armageddon" bill?

The general chatter among the left is that foreign policy might be corrupted to cater to prophetic claims.

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24 Sep 2008, 4:44 pm

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It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards.

No its not a crime, but it is a worry that you can be that f*****g stupid and be allowed to run the country. More to the point, you can be that f*****g stupid that you want vote for her and you are allowed to vote.

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24 Sep 2008, 5:39 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

SPCDavid wrote:

It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards.

nowhere near the same ballpark. some primitive religion that doesn't even acknowledge advances made in science and understanding the history of the world is just that: primitive.

big difference with something where it's a choice and something like your birth ancestry where you have no choice in the matter.

palin's stance as a YEC is in direct opposition to reality and people who lack such a basic grasp of reality shouldn't have any kind of power.

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25 Sep 2008, 9:27 am

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It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards. Besides, the house is mostly democrat; so even if those two make it into office, it's not like they'll have power to do anything but veto bills that congress tries to pass

OK, but should America give the launch codes for our nuclear weapons to a person who thinks that Jesus is returning in this lifetime, but that first, there needs to be a war that destroys Israel? Would a president Palin make public policy decisions based on her interpretation of the book of Revelations, with bizzare, complex notions like the rapture, the tribulation, the judgement throne, and taking aggressive action against the Antichrist, whoever that might be? Or should the leader of the the most powerful nation make decisions based on more rational grounds??

The religious wackos are pulling all the levers they can to speed up the Apocalypse and the return of Jesus. Why turn the military-industrial complex over to them? I say let them stick to the symbolic things, like breeding cattle:

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Besides his million-dollar compensation package, Hagee has a portfolio of other ventures, including a cattle ranch in south Texas that may have religious significance. Many evangelicals believe that the arrival of a "perfect red heifer" will signal the end times. In the Old Testament, burning a red heifer and sprinkling its ashes is described as a purification ritual for priests entering the temple. Ultra-orthodox Jews believe that the birth of a modern perfect red heifer will herald the arrival of the messiah, leading to a confrontation with Muslims over the Temple Mount, where Jews believe the Temple will be rebuilt. Some evangelicals likewise regard the red heifer as a harbinger of the ultimate showdown at the Temple Mount, which they believe will be the site of the Second Coming. And they believe that time is near.

To many other observers, the advent of the red heifer threatens to provoke a violent struggle for control of the Temple Mount, with worldwide repercussions. In the late 1990s, a group of unidentified Texas ranchers reportedly bred a perfect red heifer, which generated excitement in evangelical circles until the animal sprouted some black hairs.

http://www.prospect.org/cs/articles?articleId=11541

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25 Sep 2008, 11:35 am

DentArthurDent wrote:

SPCDavid wrote:

It's not a crime to have a religion you know, even if it is a little backwards.

No its not a crime, but it is a worry that you can be that f***ing stupid and be allowed to run the country. More to the point, you can be that f***ing stupid that you want vote for her and you are allowed to vote.

Are you even reading the posts? I didn't say I was voting for her, I said that citing her religious beliefs as a reason to not vote for her is as narrow minded as the conservative mindset. I happen to know a few creationists (there's a lot in my area) and they aren't a violent warmongering lot, most of you are just buying into a sterotype.

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25 Sep 2008, 12:34 pm

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE[/youtube]

treating religion like as if it were some kind of magic or witchcraft. demanding of their god that what they want happens.

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25 Sep 2008, 2:09 pm

Erm, aren't Bush and Mccain young earth creationists as well? If we're going to have idiots run the country it's obviously what we want considering we vote these people in.

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25 Sep 2008, 2:52 pm

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Erm, aren't Bush and Mccain young earth creationists as well? If we're going to have idiots run the country it's obviously what we want considering we vote these people in.

McCain? No, I don't think so. McCain was critical of the 'agents of intolerance' in 2000, then he decided if he was going to get elected, he needs to cozy up to the Pat Robertsons and James Dobsons.

Bush? Maybe - he has said something like "both sides should be taught" but that may have been to placate his base.

Palin is the first dyed-in-the-wool Pentecostal to run for such a high office.

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25 Sep 2008, 2:55 pm

Anyone who watches the TV preachers or has gone to a Pentecostal revival will recognize these techniques - hypnotist Derren Brown uses them to convert a group of atheists. These mind manipulation techniques are not a part of mainstream Christianity.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Sq-YUdq1OI[/youtube]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-DylNVUN_3I[/youtube]

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26 Sep 2008, 6:48 pm

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Hey, that comment was not aimed at you, sorry if I gave that impression. Palins idiotic religious beliefs just round off a whole collection of personal/political beliefs that she has. With specific regard to her religious beliefs they should at least sound some warning bells and cause the voting population to look a little deeper into her agenda. But they wont because most people just take things at face value.

Personally I think the 'left' leaning media are doing us all a disservice by focusing on her family and her religious beliefs. If they bothered to interview her more rigorously, away from the popularist scaremongering, they could destroy her campaign far more effectively. In fact the opposite is happening, because they are concentrating on her private life people are associating with her and will vote for her because of it.

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26 Sep 2008, 6:55 pm

skafather84 wrote:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kj-on3kfWuE[/youtube]

treating religion like as if it were some kind of magic or witchcraft. demanding of their god that what they want happens.

You're frightened of what you don't understand, and that's OK.

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