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13 Dec 2005, 11:03 am

The fact that much of what He stated was not fulfilled during the deciples lives, making it yet future.


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13 Dec 2005, 3:18 pm

Such as?


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Mystery Babylon, the gathering of the Jewish people, the Antichrist, the False Prophet, the global depredations of the Antichrist(the 'little horn' in Daniel), the 144,00 Jewish witnesses and much more.


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16 Dec 2005, 10:25 pm

Grievous wrote:
Mystery Babylon

Jerusalem.
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the gathering of the Jewish people

583 B.C.
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the Antichrist

1 John 2:18
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the False Prophet

There were plenty of false prophets.
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the global depredations of the Antichrist(the 'little horn' in Daniel)

Nero.
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the 144,000 Jewish witnesses

Pentacost.
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and much more.

Could you please provide scripture?


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10 Jan 2006, 1:30 am

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But again, what makes you think Christ is prophecying two separate events?
If You read Matthew 24:34-42 very carefully these scriptures are talking about the Last Days. For these scriptures are showing the signs of the End Times.

And even God can tell time if You read Matthew 24:36 for the Father only knows the day and hour when it is to begin and end in the end.

Sorry I did not get back to this until now I hope this well give all understanding.


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10 Jan 2006, 9:07 am

kevv729 wrote:
Cartoonist4X wrote:
But again, what makes you think Christ is prophecying two separate events?
If You read Matthew 24:34-42 very carefully these scriptures are talking about the Last Days. For these scriptures are showing the signs of the End Times.

And even God can tell time if You read Matthew 24:36 for the Father only knows the day and hour when it is to begin and end in the end.

Sorry I did not get back to this until now I hope this well give all understanding.


So in the end, when is the end? (Can you give me a rough date and time EST Australia please, cheers)



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10 Jan 2006, 3:10 pm

But what time zone is he or does he use Greenwich mean time?



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10 Jan 2006, 9:10 pm

mjs82 wrote:
kevv729 wrote:
Cartoonist4X wrote:
But again, what makes you think Christ is prophecying two separate events?
If You read Matthew 24:34-42 very carefully these scriptures are talking about the Last Days. For these scriptures are showing the signs of the End Times.

And even God can tell time if You read Matthew 24:36 for the Father only knows the day and hour when it is to begin and end in the end.

Sorry I did not get back to this until now I hope this well give all understanding.


So in the end, when is the end? (Can you give me a rough date and time EST Australia please, cheers)
You would have to ask God I can not give that answer.


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10 Jan 2006, 9:12 pm

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But what time zone is he or does he use Greenwich mean time?
Not sure which time zone He uses.


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10 Jan 2006, 10:17 pm

I think that the 'we shall be changed' thing from ?Isaiah is interesting. There's some kind of transformation that comes with the end, after the three days of darkness/whatever. So when he says 'this generation shall not pass away' I think he means that we continue in our present state until that time, when we are changed.

He also says a number of times, in reference to the kingdom of heaven that 'it is all around you, but you don't see it' (this is in the Nag Hammadi as well as the bible), so I think that the change means that we become able to see what we now don't.



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11 Jan 2006, 3:52 pm

kevv729 wrote:
mjs82 wrote:
kevv729 wrote:
Cartoonist4X wrote:
But again, what makes you think Christ is prophecying two separate events?
If You read Matthew 24:34-42 very carefully these scriptures are talking about the Last Days. For these scriptures are showing the signs of the End Times.

And even God can tell time if You read Matthew 24:36 for the Father only knows the day and hour when it is to begin and end in the end.

Sorry I did not get back to this until now I hope this well give all understanding.


So in the end, when is the end? (Can you give me a rough date and time EST Australia please, cheers)
You would have to ask God I can not give that answer.


But scripture can.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

This inspired author of scripture said it was the end. Not the end of the world, but the end of the Old Covenant that burnt to the ground with the temple in AD 70. Jesus never prophecied the end of the world, but of the Mosaic age. If you don't believe me, read the first three verses of Matthew 24 very carefully, and note that the greek word most bibles translate as "world" is actually "aionos" meaning "age." You can't deny the prophetic significance of AD 70.


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11 Jan 2006, 5:36 pm

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But scripture can.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

This inspired author of scripture said it was the end. Not the end of the world, but the end of the Old Covenant that burnt to the ground with the temple in AD 70. Jesus never prophecied the end of the world, but of the Mosaic age. If you don't believe me, read the first three verses of Matthew 24 very carefully, and note that the greek word most bibles translate as "world" is actually "aionos" meaning "age." You can't deny the prophetic significance of AD 70.
Jesus did bring in a New Covenant that was what Jesus was to do. It did happen when the destruction of the temple. There is more in the end to what Jesus and the New Covenant that He brought in.

There was Antichrists then an also today too. A translation I like puts 1 John 2:18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists, knowledge that it is the last hour." We Live in "the last hour" that is TODAY.

Just something to think about for sure.


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11 Jan 2006, 6:19 pm

kevv729 wrote:
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But scripture can.

1 John 2:18
Little children, it is the last time: and as ye have heard that antichrist shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time.

This inspired author of scripture said it was the end. Not the end of the world, but the end of the Old Covenant that burnt to the ground with the temple in AD 70. Jesus never prophecied the end of the world, but of the Mosaic age. If you don't believe me, read the first three verses of Matthew 24 very carefully, and note that the greek word most bibles translate as "world" is actually "aionos" meaning "age." You can't deny the prophetic significance of AD 70.
Jesus did bring in a New Covenant that was what Jesus was to do. It did happen when the destruction of the temple. There is more in the end to what Jesus and the New Covenant that He brought in.

There was Antichrists then an also today too. A translation I like puts 1 John 2:18 "Young children, it is the last hour, and, just as YOU have heard that antichrist is coming, even now there have come to be many antichrists, knowledge that it is the last hour." We Live in "the last hour" that is TODAY.

Just something to think about for sure.


You emphasized the second person pronoun yourself. The author is addressing his first century audience. He didn't say "It will be the last hour in 2000 years" but "it is the last hour." On what grounds can you say the last hour is today?


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11 Jan 2006, 8:11 pm

Seeing as I'm not a Christian, I can't speak very well for your God, but, as for us wiccan's, our Goddess certinly does, seeing as we use her symble, the moon, to tell time.


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11 Jan 2006, 8:18 pm

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You emphasized the second person pronoun yourself. The author is addressing his first century audience. He didn't say "It will be the last hour in 2000 years" but "it is the last hour." On what grounds can you say the last hour is today?
Not sure if I explain it, but here it goes. We have been in the last hour since John wrote that in 1 John 2:18. Even though the Father only truly knows as stated in Matthew 24:36. But this world and its state that it is in to Me, but that is a personal view. If You also read Revelation 3:10 and read Matthew 24:42; it is better to be on the watch of the hour, than take it for granted then in the end.


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Not sure if I explain it, but here it goes. We have been in the last hour since John wrote that in 1 John 2:18. Even though the Father only truly knows as stated in Matthew 24:36. But this world and its state that it is in to Me, but that is a personal view. If You also read Revelation 3:10 and read Matthew 24:42; it is better to be on the watch of the hour, than take it for granted then in the end.

If the last hour is 2000 years, then the warnings of 1 John 2:18, Matthew 24:42, and every other warning in the New Testament was in vain. Furthermore, a 2000 year hour would contradict Paul.

Heb 10:37 For yet a little while, and he that shall come will come, and will
not tarry.

However, if AD 70 was the end, then Jesus and his disciples were correct.

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Seeing as I'm not a Christian, I can't speak very well for your God, but, as for us wiccan's, our Goddess certinly does, seeing as we use her symble, the moon, to tell time.


I assure you that our God (the God to be more specific) can tell time perfectly. He created time. I'm only encouraging my fellow Christians to make sure they can say the same.


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