Jesus was ....

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Aww bummer, I thought he was the son of God! Well there goes my religion! *mutters*

Thanks Kevv, it was just to good of an opportunity to pass up.

When I was younger, I read a book that developed a line of thought based on Jesus being a mamzer. I think that it is an important discussion. Let me first be perfectly clear that Jesus was not a mamzer. Here is why.

WHO IS A MAMZER

Who do I think Jesus really was?
Jesus was a rebel. Jesus rebelled against the Romanized temple priesthood. Jesus also rebelled against the new philsophical/judicial leadership of the common Jews. He held the belief that people could get to the father directly without the assistance of either of these intermediaries. I'd like to think that Jesus would rebel against church hierarchys of today for many of the reasons that he rebelled against the leadership 2000 years ago.

Jesus was ahead of his time. The temple fell. The corrupted temple priesthood fell from power.
The role of the Sannhedrin is still heavily debated within Jewish circles.

Jesus thought he was the messiah. Word is still out on this one.
Obviously those followers who thought that the world would enter into the messianic age in their lifetime were wrong, but no one really knows when the world will enter the messianic age, or who will lead it. (This is sure to be debated here, and I may be ridiculed for saying it, but I'll stand by it.)

Jesus is somebody that I would have wanted to hang out with.

...a revelation? A mythical scapegoat?

Here's some arguments for the notion that Jesus didn't exist:
http://www.nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

There is enough scholory literature attesting to Jesus' existince that we really can claim that Jesus existed with almost 100% certainty.

irishmic

Yeah it was to good to pass up.

You must remember that Mary and Joseph where married and Joseph was her husband. Even though she was with child Joseph wanted to divorce her secretly. For he did not want to make her a public spectacle. Even a agel came to Joseph in a dream told him everything then Joseph woke from his sleep and did as the angel directed him to do and took her as his wife to his home. Just need to read Matthew 1:18-24.

the Sadducess where the wealthy caless that kiss the rear ends of the romans and attack dissident Jews while the Pharisees represent the common people and preserve the laws of Judaism

JESUS IS THE ANSWER

Pharisees may of lived by the Law and did all of the Law. But the despised the common person as well did Sadducees and Scribes also did.

Pharisees could not look beyond the Law to give it meaning to the common people and truly how to live life for God for Israel as a nation it was along ago. Just read Luke 18:9-14, that is a good illustration how the Pharisees saw the common people.

There are two things I love best about jesus.

1) "If a man should hit you on the cheek, turn the other cheek"
2) He ended the stoning of Jewish women for having sex before marriage.

Jesus was the man! (especially with #2)

Well technically, it goes a little deeper then that.
Jesus ended the stoning of a prostitute by basically telling the men that whichever one of them was not guilty of transgressing any laws could throw the first stone. Since none of those present could claim such a life, they all went home. Jesus, who was by some accounts, wild about a former prostitute (Mary Magadalene), couldn't condem her either, so she was free to go.

I like to imagine that the wives of these men had finally gotten fed up with their husbands sleeping with this woman. The men knew that they were going to have to stop. Instead of taking personal accountability for their own actions, they were going to kill her. Jesus told them to grow up and take accountability for their part in allowing the situation to get so out of hand.

Jesus was way cool
He did a lot of neat things
He's my best buddy

But what's the question?

What is Jesus' first name?


Jeopardy rules.

Actually, I'm pretty sure the adulterer wasn't Mary Magdeline, though later tradition said she was. It was likely a case of character assassination. There are also some hints that the stoners knew where and when to find her (which makes their characters' nature about as questionable, due to the hypocrisy), and that they were baiting Jesus into giving an answer that would cotradict earlier things he'd said, because they were annoyed with him already.

Yes, I have heard Mary Magdalene was too high up in the ranks of society to have likely been stoned. And that it never mentioned her directly in the passage about the prostitute. But the Catholics have always feared Mary Magdalene. She was likely Jesus' lover if not more likely his wife. Jewish men would have not respected the words and ideas of a bachelor.

Therefore, priests should be allow to marry.

Good point.

You will also notice in the bible that whenever the women with Jesus are listed, Mary Magdalene's name is always given first billing. Jesus's brothers are all mentioned by name but not even his sisters were named as Magdalene was. Back then, the order a person was listed was indication of their relevence to the story. Hence, that's why men where named while most women where never referred to by name in Bible passages.

For a woman to not only be named, but named according to her own merit, not as the wife or mother of a certain character, she would've had to be darn well important. That's why I'm quite convinced if Magdalene wasn't Jesus's significant other, she was, at least, a very essential part of his ministry. And we, of course, know that's not something that would sit well with the women subjegating Catholic Church.