14 Dec 2005, 3:56 pm
Sean wrote:
I've never heard of winter solstice being a holiday, and kwanzaa is a pile of BS created by some wannabe intellectual black militants in the '60s, so that shortens the list enough to name each holiday by name.
Pagan religions of Europe celebrated the winter solstice thousands of years before Christianity. Also, it is still celebrated today. Another word for it is Yule. I'm sure you've heard of it?
If you don't believe me, look it up.
Christmas was also made up. Christmas trees, holly, mistletoe, lights etc. are all pagan. Christians took those aspects of pagan culture, and applied them to their's so it would be easier to convert them to Christianity. Also, the likelihood that Jesus was born on the 25th of December is pretty much impossible. Because Jews use the lunar calendar, Jesus's birthday should actually be celebrated on a different day on our calendar every year. Even if that is the case, most historians and theologians say that it is much more likely that Jesus was born in June or July. If Christmas, like Kwanzaa, is a made up holiday, maybe I should remove it from the list too?
14 Dec 2005, 6:15 pm
14 Dec 2005, 6:59 pm
Bec wrote:
Sean wrote:
I've never heard of winter solstice being a holiday, and kwanzaa is a pile of BS created by some wannabe intellectual black militants in the '60s, so that shortens the list enough to name each holiday by name.
Pagan religions of Europe celebrated the winter solstice thousands of years before Christianity. Also, it is still celebrated today. Another word for it is Yule. I'm sure you've heard of it?
If you don't believe me, look it up. Christmas was also made up. Christmas trees, holly, mistletoe, lights etc. are all pagan. Christians took those aspects of pagan culture, and applied them to their's so it would be easier to convert them to Christianity. Also, the likelihood that Jesus was born on the 25th of December is pretty much impossible. Because Jews use the lunar calendar, Jesus's birthday should actually be celebrated on a different day on our calendar every year. Even if that is the case, most historians and theologians say that it is much more likely that Jesus was born in June or July.
That is true. I remember my old pastor saying how Jesus wasn't really born in wintertime because the shepherds were all hanging out outside, and I remember him talking about how Christians started using Pagan things like pine trees in their celebrations.
And as for the Bill O'Reilly thing, well.....click on the WWW link at the bottom of this post. I have a Livejournal icon of Jon Stewart making a confession to Bill O'Reilly.
HAHAHAHA
15 Dec 2005, 2:41 am
15 Dec 2005, 4:34 am
fahreeq wrote:
And as for the Bill O'Reilly thing, well.....click on the WWW link at the bottom of this post. I have a Livejournal icon of Jon Stewart making a confession to Bill O'Reilly. HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAUmmm... what link?
15 Dec 2005, 5:50 am
Bec wrote:
Christmas was also made up. Christmas trees, holly, mistletoe, lights etc. are all pagan. Christians took those aspects of pagan culture, and applied them to their's so it would be easier to convert them to Christianity.
The Church decided that Dec 25 was Jesus' birthday roughly 400 years after he lived. Not that that's so "sinister"; there may just have been no good records of his birthdate, and so a date had to be chosen so that people could celebrate and honor him. The choice of Dec 25 is, in keeping with other Christian holidays, indeed most likely to have been selected to roughly coincide with a pagan holiday.
And don't foget the Yule log in that list of pagan elements in Christmas.
Bec wrote:
Because Jews use the lunar calendar, Jesus's birthday should actually be celebrated on a different day on our calendar every year.
Yes, people often forget that Jesus was a Jew
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15 Dec 2005, 1:40 pm
15 Dec 2005, 6:01 pm
Bec wrote:
fahreeq wrote:
And as for the Bill O'Reilly thing, well.....click on the WWW link at the bottom of this post. I have a Livejournal icon of Jon Stewart making a confession to Bill O'Reilly. HAHAHAHA
HAHAHAHAUmmm... what link?
You know how at the bottom of everyone's posts, there's those buttons that say profile, pm www, etc? Click on the WWW button on the bottom of this post to see it. It's really off-color, but that's why I like it!
15 Dec 2005, 7:07 pm
15 Dec 2005, 7:10 pm
15 Dec 2005, 8:11 pm
15 Dec 2005, 10:00 pm
Bec wrote:
Sean wrote:
I've never heard of winter solstice being a holiday, and kwanzaa is a pile of BS created by some wannabe intellectual black militants in the '60s, so that shortens the list enough to name each holiday by name.
Pagan religions of Europe celebrated the winter solstice thousands of years before Christianity. Also, it is still celebrated today. Another word for it is Yule. I'm sure you've heard of it?
If you don't believe me, look it up. Christmas was also made up. Christmas trees, holly, mistletoe, lights etc. are all pagan. Christians took those aspects of pagan culture, and applied them to their's so it would be easier to convert them to Christianity. Also, the likelihood that Jesus was born on the 25th of December is pretty much impossible. Because Jews use the lunar calendar, Jesus's birthday should actually be celebrated on a different day on our calendar every year. Even if that is the case, most historians and theologians say that it is much more likely that Jesus was born in June or July. If Christmas, like Kwanzaa, is a made up holiday, maybe I should remove it from the list too?
surely all holidays are made up? I mean, animals don't bother with holidays or anything, they just carry on doing whatever they do each day, there aren't any 'special' days in nature....
I suppose the only two days which really could be said to be special would be the longest and shortest days, which brings us back to Yule
even then, the idea of celebrating them is made up.
15 Dec 2005, 10:09 pm
fahreeq wrote:
Mithrandir wrote:
I think http://fahreeq.livejournal.com/ is the wrong site, fahreeq
Try http://www.livejournal.com/~fahreeq - Livejournal has been having some problems recently.
I have to be on your friends list
15 Dec 2005, 10:16 pm
Mithrandir wrote:
fahreeq wrote:
Mithrandir wrote:
I think http://fahreeq.livejournal.com/ is the wrong site, fahreeq
Try http://www.livejournal.com/~fahreeq - Livejournal has been having some problems recently.
I have to be on your friends list
I was pointing out the off-color Jon Stewart icon at the top of the page. Believe me, it's less painful than my friends-only journal entries
hahaha
15 Dec 2005, 10:56 pm
Allright, now where is the bill O-Reily thing?
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