Another Example of Religionism in Action

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Then your logic is warped.

I don't care what your beliefs are. It's not about atheism. It's not about religion. It's about the character of the person who identitifies as either of these. I certainly will not "hide" behind my religious beliefs to make myself seem more righteous, more pure or wiser than I really am. I'd ask you not to hide behind your atheism to give yourself these illusory qualities.

I am not hiding behind any belief, especially Atheism, and I am no more pure or wise than anyone else my age who has experienced life and who has "seen the light" behind religious fallacies.

Religious fallacies? That's an opinion. You're casting stones again and you really don't need to.

And that is your opinion. I feel the need to speak out against Religionism in general as much as any Christian might feel to speak out against Scientology, the Theory of Evolution, or Britney Spears. As long as I make no attack against an individual, or make a racist or sexist statement, it is within my rights to speak out for what I believe in, and against what I don't.

All reigionists are not your family, and your family is not all religionists. Ever hear of a few bad apples not mnaking a bad bunch?

Do you know this?

Even if they are not telling you to your face, that doesn't prove they are not thinking it. This guy you are complaining about didn't tell you to your face either.

It's a fair assumption, considering that those who've said I'm crazy have been Religionists (of one sort or another - the type of person that judges others based on what their religion says is "normal"), while those who have not have been Atheists (or at least Agnostics - the type of person that takes little for granted without first knowing and understanding all the facts).

The guy I'm complaining about didn't know I was there when he said I was "Mentally Ill," but in the past he's told me to my face that I don't know what was going on around me.

Lack of substantial verified evidence to make an unbiased conclusion (claiming something to be factual and to actually be valuable) I would say, even if that may seem to be the case in one specific small area, but wouldn't in a more greater population and different cirumstances, which that has to be taken into account.


Yes, I do feel the need to speak out against Britney Spears.


hmmm, I may be a little skeptical about it.


I'm glad that you agree that age has nothing to do with being wise.

Wisdom comes from experience. Thus, the more experience you have, the wiser you may be. Of course, older people generally have more experience, so while there is correlation, there is not necessarily a causal link between age and wisdom.

Last edited by Fnord on 07 Jan 2009, 5:55 pm, edited 1 time in total.

Evidence please? Bear in mind, that anecdotal evidence doesn't count under empiricism, and I am actually serious, according to your own epistemology, said assumption doesn't actually hold substantial value.

Yes, the correlation of older people, more experienced, and wise has been out of tradition in different cultures, but you can see that it isn't always the case, besides, wisdom initially have been related to religion and philosophy, so I can say that wisdom is relative according to culture, time and place. I place the concept of wisdom as a subjective and even cultural notion.

Personal experience is something that I don't take as a reliable source for knowledge and truth, different people have different experiences, and their views would be according to them, if you have had a more positive experience in your personal life, with related people around you, you would not be making this argument.

Of course assumptions have no empirical value! And it is an assumption, not a claim; and I've already given my reasons for that assumption, just to keep it fair.

It seems to me that you'd rather erode my credibility than build up your own opposing viewpoint. This is my opinion, by the way, and is in no way intended as an insult or an attack.

Ok, I see, well, sometimes it seems like you would be considering your points as factual and not as an opinion, and it kinda seemed paradoxical to me if that was the case, which I was pointing out.


More like being a little more careful into how to draw the points, and I was trying to point out what *apparantely* was a contradiction, and well, now that you are making it clear that this is a matter of opinion and not about claiming facts, it is a good thing to know, and I can see why the interpretation some would make at the latter. Even though, the nature of the argument can suggest being like that.

If is not intended as an attack, I can believe that, but it might be taken as such, especially when comming up with words such as "irrational", and I have to ask wether that is respectful or not, and wether that holds a logical value into an argument or not, and how much one should avoid using it, for the sake of argument, I can certainly say that there are atheists who actually have a respect for believers and are not throwing words like that that can be taken as insults, as you can see, some have found assersions like that as offensive. Given that in my own humble opinion, which I might not be correct of course, claiming irrationality would be like trying to take away from people of different beliefs, their freedom of religion, which is a basic right.

And I see such terms as "delusional" and "irrational" and other rants against believers as problematic if all comes down to being just an opinion or to say "it works for me" in the end, I believe those terms should requiere real evidence, otherwise they don't seem to sustain much value, unless stating those are mere opinions as well.

If a person states that his argument is just an opinion, it seems to me that it suggests that that person should admit he could be wrong.

I think you are blowing this out of proportion. All this man did was express an unflattering opinion about to another person. If that is a crime, how innocent are you?

An interesting point about your story, that has not yet been picked up on, is that we have a woman being compared to you because of her erratic behavior. Do you think she might be an Aspie? If I was in your position, I would want to know more about her and if anyone had considered the possibility that she might be autistic. If this confusion between Autism and Mental Illness is not isolated in this one man, she may be suffering too.

Would you help her if you could, or is she not worth your consideration because she is a Religionist?

If Fnord's posts in School and College Life are any indication, she is not worth his consideration if there is nothing in it for him financially.