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Last edited by TheViking on 24 Dec 2005, 10:40 am, edited 1 time in total.

as Gary Holt once said
Religion is the true evil in this world

It's not a wonder why "religion is the opiate of the masses".

acording 2 stupid marx

I beg to differ. However, if Marx truly was stupid then it can't be that bad. This is why: 'So far as I can remember, there is not one word in the Gospels in praise of intelligence.' -- Bertrand Russell

you wanna know whats stupid


religion=truth

thats stupid
almost as stupid as hitler

and another thing


the bible is a bunch of tall tales that people shove in people 's mouths cause they dont have anything better to do
that is religion

wotever, causeing this trobule during a holy season is supid

Religion = truth is correct, supposing you don't use a narrow definition of religion to mean a specific organized religion.

We don't know anything beyond our own thoughts. Anything else we hold true comes from a leap of metaphysical faith regardless if it's neo-Darwinism or Christianity.

I happen to be atheist, but I don't pretend for one second that this isn't a religious belief. The same is true of dualism vs solipsism.

Now, that doesn't mean the search for truth should be based on religious doctrine or restricted by dogma.

Have you ever considered how science came into being? It wasn't by discarding religion--quite the opposite. Christians considered reason a gift from god, giving us the ability to understand religious and other truths of his world. In other words they had <i>faith</i> in reason.

You may find this article illuminating:

http://chronicle.com/temp/reprint.php?i ... 9qmf4w3g5y

How is atheism a religious belief? I thought it was a lack of until there was some evidence to back the existence of god up.

You cannot have a lack of religious belief. Religion deals with the metaphysical. Even faith in reason is a religious faith.

Atheism is the belief that there is no god, not the lack of a religious belief.

No, im rather sure you are wrong. Check the dictionary then come back and apologize.

Religious- Having or showing belief in and reverance for a god or a deity.

Atheism- Someone who believes that god or gods does'nt exist.

You can hit out with the metaphysical and a thousand other things but the fact is that atheism is not a religious beleief. I think an ex-member here put it quite well, if rather crudely. "Atheism is a religion like bald is a hair colour".

LOL




Religion is faith or a belief system. Under your narrow definition, Buddhism isn't even a religion.

See:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion

Also, I can easily refute your reasoning given your definitions alone.

If believing in god is a religious belief, religious is the adjective which relates to the noun, the belief. In other words the subject matter is religious. If I say evolution is a scientific theory, the theory is scientific due to the subject matter, not the conclusion. If believing in god is religious, so is any belief of anything regarding the existence of god.

Atheism, even in your narrow definition, is religious because it pertains to the existence of god.

So I suppose you should "apologize" now?

I dont believe Buddhism is a religion, more as spiritual guidance for anyone who is interested in the teachings of the Buddha.

So if i said i disagree with anyone being gay (which i dont) for instance then i suppose that would make my belief gay? I think you are completely mixed up. You maybe have an extensive knowledge of the forest but have failed to spot a single tree amongst it.

The "narrow" definitions of "religion" and "atheist" arent my own, check a dictionary.

Since religion most probably isnt the status quo then surely Christians have an atheist belief also as they refuse to believe in the possibility of the non-existence of god. See, we could play games all day but lets stick to the facts without trying to be philosophize over everyday commonly known facts.

Oh and how would you like to pay me the groveling apology madam, by the more traditional method of a public apology or by way of a pm?

Last edited by eamonn on 24 Dec 2005, 9:37 pm, edited 2 times in total.

Actually... Buddhism is a "religion:"

re·li·gion (rĭ-lĭj'ən) n.

1. Belief in and reverence for a supernatural power or powers regarded as creator and governor of the universe.
2. A personal or institutionalized system grounded in such belief and worship.
3. The life or condition of a person in a religious order.
4. A set of beliefs, values, and practices based on the teachings of a spiritual leader.
5. A cause, principle, or activity pursued with zeal or conscientious devotion.

Definition 5 is a little bit of a stretch, though.

It can be proven that there is a god, just not necessarily any specific god.

None of them relate to atheism though. I suppose going by the wider rarely used definitions you could call Buddhism a religion with just about everything else though including my football team, lol.

How can it be proven there is a god, that is just not true atall or we would all believe it. As it is atheist's on average tend to be more educated than religious people, particularly as they tend to come from comfortable positions wereby they can actually think and come to their own conclusions in such matters. Religion spreads heavily wherever there is poverty and despair.

Last edited by eamonn on 24 Dec 2005, 9:47 pm, edited 1 time in total.