Gone With the Wind

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Not according to DSMV...people choose to cross dress because of gender dysphoria, if there wasn't dysphoria then there would be no compulsion to cross dress. Transgender is the next step.

Drag queens cross-dress, and generally they do not have gender dysphoria.

I also identify as non-binary, which falls under the trans umbrella, and I generally do not have gender dysphoria. Theoretically unless maybe someone tried to make me be super masculine. Gender dysphoria diagnosis can help identify if one is transgender, but is not the only way. I think actually feeling better about one's gender is better than not liking being something.

Those who believe dysphoria are called transmedicalists. At least in my circles they are criticized.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transmedicalism

Dysphoria is a state of mind like dissonance. Drag queens have dysphoria over heretonormative gender identity which is why they dress in drag,

Drag queens can dress up for lots of reasons, like just wanting to look pretty, it does not have to be because they feel dysphoric looking like a man, often when not at a show all the makeup and stuff comes off and they might just look like some dude. They don't always present femininely. But some might be transwomen, or even AFAB drag queens.

Regardless to some old popular ideas, and stuff in movies, dysphoria is not a requirement at this sort of stuff. I am not sure where else you would be getting your information, and this really is not the sort of topic to be having this discussion.

Yeah a homophobe taking over the conversation, drag is about being oneself, being comfortable in one's skin/persona. This hatred for drag is unending, the whole outrage over drag storytime is disgusting.

ummm who are you calling homophobe? I am referring to DSMV, I don't have any phobia.

I'll stop talking about it as its the wrong thread, but 99.9999% of parents don't automatically dress their boys in girls clothes. The trigger is the child either feels dysphoria over the way they are being pressured to dress by their parents or guilt over dressing like a girl without anyone else looking.

If you don't like the word dysphoria you can choose something else (nobody is stopping you) but stop pretending one fine day they decide they look nice in a dress and want to share it with the whole world.

I have no problem with the word "dysphoria", I just really assure you that dysphoria is not the only reason for people to dress as the opposite gender than the one they were assigned at birth.

I say this as an AMAB (Assigned Male At Birth) Enby (non-binary person) who is somewhat interested in presenting a bit more femininely despite no effective dysphoria of looking like a man, such as growing beards. Although I did hate how all haircuts I got under the assumption of being a man were so short, I don't know if that was dysphoria but I much more recognise euphoria in headbands being functional and hair ties. Used to be so jealous of my sister's hair in how it was allowed to grow.

I am not really out to people like my family around me, and have thusly never really gone as far as what one might call crossdressing, as I don't like the idea of being seen as weird, even some pink socks got some questions, but I don't think I would assign guilt, I don't think that I would or should feel "guilt over dressing like a girl without anyone else looking". Maybe just embarrassment over people seeing me as strange, like seeing me as a man in a dress. I would like to think this gives me some level of authority on this subject of whether dysphoria is required, often it will be, but not exclusively.

Ok thanks for the explanation, the DSMV and ICD10 don't always capture every manifested behaviour and have a habit of pathologising behavior that doesn't need to be medical (like internet addiction). These disorders are always reviewed and subject to change,

Compulsions, dissonance and distress can also be state conditions but psychiatrists tend to want to make it a disorder if the condition persists or its socially abnormal (like alien abduction), They currently use the word dysphoria but as you articulated it doesn't always capture individual thought process.

I think the difference is that GWtW made things like racism, slavery, and even marital rape look "ok" where as in Game of Thrones the themes of rape, war violence, and political corruption were meant to be shocking and disturbing.

But one has to consider that GWtW was made in the 1930's and the morals of American society back then weren't what they are today. Black people were second class citizens and men were allowed to rape their wives because a wife was thought of as being nothing more than property to a man (ironically just like a slave. So consider the irony in Scarlett being a slave owner who gets treated as property by her husband Rhett.)

Oh okay. Well here is my take on the rape issue in the movie. Now when I say this, I do not condone rape at all, but when Ret rapes Scarlet, do we actually care? Scarlet is a complete -b$%tch to him and everyone else around her. She is a terrible person. So do we actually care if that happens to her?

I don't mean to sound bad and I am not condoning rape. But it's like in Taken when Liam Neeson kills all the bad guys because they do bad things. Do we actually care when something bad happens to a bad character?

I mean why is is it acceptable like a bad person such as Sonny Corleone to get gunned down and we don't care, because he was a bad person, but a bad person being raped is totally unnacceptable, compared to being murdered, when we don't care?

My mother had long held a borderline obsession with this book/film as far back as I can remember. As I got older, saw the film several times, and even visited the Margaret Mitchell House in Atlanta, I began to see this as the bigger point of why people love the story so much. After discussing this with mom, turns out that was EXACTLY why she loved the story. She isn't a racist [maybe a bit culturally insensitive at times, but so am I], not a conservative [can't stand the current administration], but she is a self-made middle class woman who had a disastrously hard life and and had to be a nursemaid to her aging mother while raising me [alone], so I can see how she feels the character of Scarlett to be relatable contextually. I relate to Ignatius Reilly from "A Confederacy of Dunces", but in reality I am nothing like that guy.

Exactly, I mean Scarlett wasn't the nicest person obviously, but what made her so admirable was her need to survive no matter what. When she said "If I have to lie, steal, cheat, or kill! With God as my witness I'll never go hungry again!" she really meant it.

I consider rape to be along the same lines as torture and I don't like the idea of anybody being tortured, even bad people. We all should be entitled to that right.

What disturbed me about the scene where Rhett raped Scarlett was how the next morning she acted like nothing even bothered her.

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Yeah for sure, I am not saying I enjoyed that she was raped at all. But I didn't care since I thought she was a very toxic, and selish character.

But as for the fact that she seem to be bothered by her being raped, isn't that part of her character as well, is that she had lost her self respect by that point, and that's why it didn't bother her?

Hmm that's a good point that I did not even consider.