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20 Jun 2025, 6:06 am

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A large majority (80%) of Jewish Israelis support Israel’s attack on Iran, according to an Israel Democracy Institute poll released Thursday. A majority in favor of the attack holds across the political spectrum among Jewish Israelis.


very unfortunate, Israel's civilian population also seems to have become radicalised. Again Iranian civilians don't deserve to be bombed. I hope for their sake a swift resolution can be reached.


What the Iranian population really needs now is a swift coup d'état.



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20 Jun 2025, 7:04 am

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A large majority (80%) of Jewish Israelis support Israel’s attack on Iran, according to an Israel Democracy Institute poll released Thursday. A majority in favor of the attack holds across the political spectrum among Jewish Israelis.


very unfortunate, Israel's civilian population also seems to have become radicalised. Again Iranian civilians don't deserve to be bombed. I hope for their sake a swift resolution can be reached.


There have been four main turning points in this process.

The 1977 Menachem Begin became the first non Labor Party member elected Prime Minister. This was shift in political power from Ashkenazi Jews to Sephardic Jews that has continued until this day.

The Second Intifada followed the collapse of two state solution talks at the beginning of the 21st century. The Second Intifada involved several hundred suicide bombings aimed at civilian targets that killed over a thousand Israelis. Pretty much all the Israeli analysts I have listened to point to this event as the defining event in Israeli's giving up on peaceful co existence with Palestinians.

The full repercussions of October 7th are far from known. What can be said is that since then is any constraints about openly advocating for ethnic cleansing/genocide went by the wayside and that has been reflected in policy.

The election of Donald Trump expedited the process described in the last paragraph.


No civilians deserved to be bombed. That said as of this writing the Israelis are not carpet bombing Iran like they did with Gaza. What they are doing is assassinating scientists involved in the Iranian nuclear program and key Iranian government officials. These are considered war crimes under international law.


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20 Jun 2025, 6:10 pm

The_Face_of_Boo wrote:
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A large majority (80%) of Jewish Israelis support Israel’s attack on Iran, according to an Israel Democracy Institute poll released Thursday. A majority in favor of the attack holds across the political spectrum among Jewish Israelis.


very unfortunate, Israel's civilian population also seems to have become radicalised. Again Iranian civilians don't deserve to be bombed. I hope for their sake a swift resolution can be reached.


What the Iranian population really needs now is a swift coup d'état.


Of course. And Israel too, Netanyahu has reached his "Use by" date.



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20 Jun 2025, 6:15 pm

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One thing that I find appalling is the ultra orthodox Jews treatment of Christians in Jerusalem and other areas. They seem to make MAGA look mild in comparison.

Or at least some ultra-orthodox Jews. Let's try not to overgeneralize about any religion or religious movement.

But I agree that some ultra-orthodox Jews' behavior toward Christians is appalling.


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20 Jun 2025, 6:21 pm

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What the Iranian population really needs now is a swift coup d'état.


Of course. And Israel too, Netanyahu has reached his "Use by" date.


Not to mention the Saudis.

The only problem is that it's not up to outsiders to fix those problems, especially given the second and third order effects that will result.

The US probably can't afford another middle eastern quagmire, so it's especially ironic to see the folks who campaigned on America first pivot to Israel first, let's redo Bush's mistakes but bigger when so much of the current Republican base hate neo-cons and their foreign policy ideas.


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20 Jun 2025, 6:48 pm

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The US probably can't afford another middle eastern quagmire, so it's especially ironic to see the folks who campaigned on America first pivot to Israel first, let's redo Bush's mistakes but bigger when so much of the current Republican base hate neo-cons and their foreign policy ideas.


I'm hoping trump sees sense as any foray into Iran will cause a global stock market collapse and loss of life. I think let the Iranian people pluck up the courage to overthrow their masters.



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20 Jun 2025, 6:54 pm

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The US probably can't afford another middle eastern quagmire, so it's especially ironic to see the folks who campaigned on America first pivot to Israel first, let's redo Bush's mistakes but bigger when so much of the current Republican base hate neo-cons and their foreign policy ideas.


I'm hoping trump sees sense as any foray into Iran will cause a global stock market collapse and loss of life. I think let the Iranian people pluck up the courage to overthrow their masters.


If that's your desired goal, I'd be apprehensive of anything that contributes to a rally-around-the-flag effect, like attacks from two of the most powerful militaries on earth.


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20 Jun 2025, 7:07 pm



Yay! Nuclear war on Israel's behalf. America first strikes again.


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20 Jun 2025, 8:12 pm

cyberdora wrote:
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The US probably can't afford another middle eastern quagmire, so it's especially ironic to see the folks who campaigned on America first pivot to Israel first, let's redo Bush's mistakes but bigger when so much of the current Republican base hate neo-cons and their foreign policy ideas.


I'm hoping trump sees sense as any foray into Iran will cause a global stock market collapse and loss of life. I think let the Iranian people pluck up the courage to overthrow their masters.

They won't. What they have now isn't great, but they've seen what happens in other countries when their governments have fallen. They didn't pick this particular fight, they've forced Israel to go through most of their interceptor missiles. I see no reason for the people to revolt at this time. Especially if the heir apparent here is the Shah's son.



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21 Jun 2025, 1:08 am

^^^ Finding themselves between a rock and a hard place



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21 Jun 2025, 1:33 am

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^^^ Finding themselves between a rock and a hard place

Possibly, but if the US can stay out of the fight for a couple more weeks, we can perhaps get to the FAFO curve where Israel stops being such a bully in the region.

If my wife is any indication, I do not believe there is anything that can be done to actually force the Iranians to back down at this point. I've been married for over 5 years and I still can't get her to put any effort into recycling, even though there are fines associated with not doing so.

EDIT: I haven't heard a single word out of them in support of regime change, even though they have previously indicated that they want the Shah back. It's just not popular to get regime change like this.



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21 Jun 2025, 4:19 am

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One thing that I find appalling is the ultra orthodox Jews treatment of Christians in Jerusalem and other areas. They seem to make MAGA look mild in comparison.

Or at least some ultra-orthodox Jews. Let's try not to overgeneralize about any religion or religious movement.

But I agree that some ultra-orthodox Jews' behavior toward Christians is appalling.


Good point. It is not all ultra orthodox Jews who are involved in that harassment.



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21 Jun 2025, 10:43 am

Some of those ultra-orthodox Jewish neighborhoods are dangerous places to be if you are a Christian or Muslim. Or gay, or a woman who doesn't cover her hair properly, but the media doesn't talk about that because it doesn't fit "the narrative"



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21 Jun 2025, 11:11 am

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I personally say, let Iran wipe Israel off the map if they can. Israel doesn't have an inherent right to exist any more than the other countries in the region.


Do you sincerely believe this?

Yes, because I'm not a psychopath. Israel is well into the FAFO process as we speak. Why does Israel have a right to exist, but not Gaza or Iran?

As for your other post, that's a lie. The hospital was indirect damage from when Iran bombed a nearby military target. Perhaps if Israel would stop using civilians as human shields that wouldn't happen.

I don't really understand how people like you can be so blase about the Israelis intentionally targeted hospitals and medical workers, but Iran damages a hospital when going after a legitimate target and that's somehow the line.



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21 Jun 2025, 6:54 pm

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