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05 Jan 2012, 8:16 am

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17% is one in six members - that is really a significant number if you think of it that way.... if all of the applicable members were on right now that would be about 10,000. not really a small portion of the membership.

IE is the only browser i have at work, and it's even IE6 or something. it's not like i exactly have much of a choice, besides using my POS dumbphone (and you can imagine how well WP works on that).


What's stopping you from downloading a better browser through IE?

security.


So the only solution is to ask the admin (of network or whatever) to make FireFox/Chrome available for usage, I guess.



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05 Jan 2012, 8:23 am

MCalavera wrote:
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17% is one in six members - that is really a significant number if you think of it that way.... if all of the applicable members were on right now that would be about 10,000. not really a small portion of the membership.

IE is the only browser i have at work, and it's even IE6 or something. it's not like i exactly have much of a choice, besides using my POS dumbphone (and you can imagine how well WP works on that).


What's stopping you from downloading a better browser through IE?

security.


So the only solution is to ask the admin (of network or whatever) to make FireFox/Chrome available for usage, I guess.


In large companies / organisations that isn't as simple as you think. Some short-sighted companies have IE6 tightly integrated with their other systems software and databases. This makes changing browser a major change across an entire organisation. I've come up against this shackling to legacy applications before. They have dug themselves into a technological hole that is so deep it is extremely expensive to dig themselves out of. They end up with huge security restrictions to try to keep the vulnerable browser and associated software secure with rigid policies on what software can be used.


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05 Jan 2012, 9:13 am

Thanks for the valuable info. Makes sense now.



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05 Jan 2012, 9:18 am

TallyMan wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
17% is one in six members - that is really a significant number if you think of it that way.... if all of the applicable members were on right now that would be about 10,000. not really a small portion of the membership.

IE is the only browser i have at work, and it's even IE6 or something. it's not like i exactly have much of a choice, besides using my POS dumbphone (and you can imagine how well WP works on that).


What's stopping you from downloading a better browser through IE?

security.


So the only solution is to ask the admin (of network or whatever) to make FireFox/Chrome available for usage, I guess.


In large companies / organisations that isn't as simple as you think. Some short-sighted companies have IE6 tightly integrated with their other systems software and databases. This makes changing browser a major change across an entire organisation. I've come up against this shackling to legacy applications before. They have dug themselves into a technological hole that is so deep it is extremely expensive to dig themselves out of. They end up with huge security restrictions to try to keep the vulnerable browser and associated software secure with rigid policies on what software can be used.

^^^yep. actually we upgraded to IE8 in mid 2011, which i had forgotten. there are workarounds to the software restriction of course, but using one of the workarounds can lead directly to job loss so it is not worth it.


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05 Jan 2012, 10:46 am

hyperlexian wrote:
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hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
17% is one in six members - that is really a significant number if you think of it that way.... if all of the applicable members were on right now that would be about 10,000. not really a small portion of the membership.

IE is the only browser i have at work, and it's even IE6 or something. it's not like i exactly have much of a choice, besides using my POS dumbphone (and you can imagine how well WP works on that).


What's stopping you from downloading a better browser through IE?

security.


So the only solution is to ask the admin (of network or whatever) to make FireFox/Chrome available for usage, I guess.


In large companies / organisations that isn't as simple as you think. Some short-sighted companies have IE6 tightly integrated with their other systems software and databases. This makes changing browser a major change across an entire organisation. I've come up against this shackling to legacy applications before. They have dug themselves into a technological hole that is so deep it is extremely expensive to dig themselves out of. They end up with huge security restrictions to try to keep the vulnerable browser and associated software secure with rigid policies on what software can be used.

^^^yep. actually we upgraded to IE8 in mid 2011, which i had forgotten. there are workarounds to the software restriction of course, but using one of the workarounds can lead directly to job loss so it is not worth it.


I worked for one international company where the security was extremely tight. Those of us in the software development teams often got hampered in our work due to the heavy restrictions of the corporate firewall etc and the company security team who were based in another city were less than helpful. In the end I wrote a firewall tunnelling program that allowed us to sneakily transfer any/all files to and from our computers through the firewall. :lol:


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05 Jan 2012, 11:18 am

TallyMan wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
TallyMan wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
MCalavera wrote:
hyperlexian wrote:
17% is one in six members - that is really a significant number if you think of it that way.... if all of the applicable members were on right now that would be about 10,000. not really a small portion of the membership.

IE is the only browser i have at work, and it's even IE6 or something. it's not like i exactly have much of a choice, besides using my POS dumbphone (and you can imagine how well WP works on that).


What's stopping you from downloading a better browser through IE?

security.


So the only solution is to ask the admin (of network or whatever) to make FireFox/Chrome available for usage, I guess.


In large companies / organisations that isn't as simple as you think. Some short-sighted companies have IE6 tightly integrated with their other systems software and databases. This makes changing browser a major change across an entire organisation. I've come up against this shackling to legacy applications before. They have dug themselves into a technological hole that is so deep it is extremely expensive to dig themselves out of. They end up with huge security restrictions to try to keep the vulnerable browser and associated software secure with rigid policies on what software can be used.

^^^yep. actually we upgraded to IE8 in mid 2011, which i had forgotten. there are workarounds to the software restriction of course, but using one of the workarounds can lead directly to job loss so it is not worth it.


I worked for one international company where the security was extremely tight. Those of us in the software development teams often got hampered in our work due to the heavy restrictions of the corporate firewall etc and the company security team who were based in another city were less than helpful. In the end I wrote a firewall tunnelling program that allowed us to sneakily transfer any/all files to and from our computers through the firewall. :lol:

hahaha working from the inside.


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05 Jan 2012, 12:31 pm

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oh well if it's only 17% then :roll:


it's less than that. Unfortunately it isn't a smaller percentage in which case I wouldn't even bother trying to make things work for IE.


Thats kind of rude. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. I say I'm sure you didn't mean it that way because I will say stuff like that too and it comes out all wrong. If I hadn't already known you were one of us I would have gotten mad and left. Because I know you are, I figured you didn't mean it like I took it. I want to explain now.

I had trouble using Safari because I'm not used to it. It took me forever to learn how to use broadband internet rather than the old kind. It was close to a year before I was comfortable with it. I still don't like it, but I'm not paying for AOL to get the "old look" that I like, when I already pay for broadband. IE was the way I learned to use this, and when my daughters bf put Firefox on his computer that we were using at the time, I stayed away from it for the entire 4 or 5 months it was there. I couldn't do it. I cannot use someone else's laptop or the library computer because they don't work exactly the way mine does. I can use the ipod because I was shown how and that's a new type of device so I have no preset expectations of how it must look or act.

I almost took offense to that last night because I felt like me being here and using only IE (although I used Safari last night for a few minutes but hated it - it looks like itunes and is confusing to me) caused the techs to have to go to a lot more trouble than they wanted to. I kind of felt like those of us who can only use IE aren't worth the bother.

Thinking about it this morning, I know you didn't mean it like that at all. If we weren't worth the bother you just wouldn't bother. You were tired from fixing it and working on it and it was probably being a hassle and you were frustrated with it, so you said that. I see this morning that it was about IE not about people who use IE. At least I think thats how you meant it.

I don't know why I'm posting this, you don't need to apologize or anything, I see how it was meant now. I think I might be posting it because I'm sort of still wondering if the people who use IE are causing the techs a problem. Also, I'm on a couple other forums, is that a problem for techs there as well?

But I didn't. Yay for me learning to not go with my knee jerk reactions! I'm honestly proud of myself for not immedately taking offense and throwing a flounce. Most times when I do something like that and look back on it, I was wrong. ;-)


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05 Jan 2012, 9:29 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
alex wrote:
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oh well if it's only 17% then :roll:


it's less than that. Unfortunately it isn't a smaller percentage in which case I wouldn't even bother trying to make things work for IE.


Thats kind of rude. I'm sure you didn't mean it that way. I say I'm sure you didn't mean it that way because I will say stuff like that too and it comes out all wrong. If I hadn't already known you were one of us I would have gotten mad and left. Because I know you are, I figured you didn't mean it like I took it. I want to explain now.

I had trouble using Safari because I'm not used to it. It took me forever to learn how to use broadband internet rather than the old kind. It was close to a year before I was comfortable with it. I still don't like it, but I'm not paying for AOL to get the "old look" that I like, when I already pay for broadband. IE was the way I learned to use this, and when my daughters bf put Firefox on his computer that we were using at the time, I stayed away from it for the entire 4 or 5 months it was there. I couldn't do it. I cannot use someone else's laptop or the library computer because they don't work exactly the way mine does. I can use the ipod because I was shown how and that's a new type of device so I have no preset expectations of how it must look or act.

I almost took offense to that last night because I felt like me being here and using only IE (although I used Safari last night for a few minutes but hated it - it looks like itunes and is confusing to me) caused the techs to have to go to a lot more trouble than they wanted to. I kind of felt like those of us who can only use IE aren't worth the bother.

Thinking about it this morning, I know you didn't mean it like that at all. If we weren't worth the bother you just wouldn't bother. You were tired from fixing it and working on it and it was probably being a hassle and you were frustrated with it, so you said that. I see this morning that it was about IE not about people who use IE. At least I think thats how you meant it.

I don't know why I'm posting this, you don't need to apologize or anything, I see how it was meant now. I think I might be posting it because I'm sort of still wondering if the people who use IE are causing the techs a problem. Also, I'm on a couple other forums, is that a problem for techs there as well?

But I didn't. Yay for me learning to not go with my knee jerk reactions! I'm honestly proud of myself for not immedately taking offense and throwing a flounce. Most times when I do something like that and look back on it, I was wrong. ;-)


Alex isn't dismissing members by saying that. IE is a pain to make work with websites. You have to specifically code things "wrong" to make them IE-compatible. Unfortunately, this is the way it's always been - and it's a big reason why a very large portion of the tech-savvy community hates IE with a passion (the other reasons are massive security holes that never get fixed, and Microsoft putting their corporate interests ahead of their users' interests, though all are somewhat related to each other).

It's getting to the point where IE is going to be in a small minority of use cases (across the Internet), and people will stop bothering to code IE specific work-arounds into webpages. I am anxiously awaiting that day.



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06 Jan 2012, 9:07 pm

OliveOilMom wrote:
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oh well if it's only 17% then :roll:


it's less than that. Unfortunately it isn't a smaller percentage in which case I wouldn't even bother trying to make things work for IE.


Thats kind of rude.
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Indeed, it is. You are just objecting to being forced into using a different browser.

I will heartily encourage you to use Firefox, Chrome, or whatever you find that is better able to cope with archaic incorrect HTML.

However, dismissing you, because you are a one in six minority of WP members still using IE - that's wrong.


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29 Aug 2012, 1:01 pm

Sorry to bump the topic but I'm having this frustrating problem right now. I found this through Google, after writing ''why won't wrong planet load?! !!'' in the Google search box (it's let me post!). It actually hasn't done this for about 2 months or more, so I suppose it's got to make up for it somehow :roll: .

All the other sites I go on don't do this, and I use Google Chrome. But the most frustrating thing that has happened to this site today was I wrote a really good post, too long to remember what I wrote exactly, and I pressed submit and it took ages doing anything so I guessed what was coming. So I tried again a few times but it didn't work. Also just before submitting, I copied the text I had wrote (I always do that just in case this sort of thing happens and I won't lose what I done), but when I went to paste it up on microsoft word office, the ''paste'' option was disabled, so I couldn't paste it. Was that sent to try me or what???! !! !!

Things never sound good when you write them the second time as what they did when you wrote them originally.


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29 Aug 2012, 2:28 pm

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Sorry to bump the topic but I'm having this frustrating problem right now. I found this through Google, after writing ''why won't wrong planet load?! !!'' in the Google search box (it's let me post!). It actually hasn't done this for about 2 months or more, so I suppose it's got to make up for it somehow :roll: .

All the other sites I go on don't do this, and I use Google Chrome. But the most frustrating thing that has happened to this site today was I wrote a really good post, too long to remember what I wrote exactly, and I pressed submit and it took ages doing anything so I guessed what was coming. So I tried again a few times but it didn't work. Also just before submitting, I copied the text I had wrote (I always do that just in case this sort of thing happens and I won't lose what I done), but when I went to paste it up on microsoft word office, the ''paste'' option was disabled, so I couldn't paste it. Was that sent to try me or what???! !! !!

Things never sound good when you write them the second time as what they did when you wrote them originally.


That is neither related to the problem described in this thread, nor does it appear to be a problem with WP.


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29 Aug 2012, 2:33 pm

sliqua-jcooter wrote:
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Sorry to bump the topic but I'm having this frustrating problem right now. I found this through Google, after writing ''why won't wrong planet load?! !!'' in the Google search box (it's let me post!). It actually hasn't done this for about 2 months or more, so I suppose it's got to make up for it somehow :roll: .

All the other sites I go on don't do this, and I use Google Chrome. But the most frustrating thing that has happened to this site today was I wrote a really good post, too long to remember what I wrote exactly, and I pressed submit and it took ages doing anything so I guessed what was coming. So I tried again a few times but it didn't work. Also just before submitting, I copied the text I had wrote (I always do that just in case this sort of thing happens and I won't lose what I done), but when I went to paste it up on microsoft word office, the ''paste'' option was disabled, so I couldn't paste it. Was that sent to try me or what???! !! !!

Things never sound good when you write them the second time as what they did when you wrote them originally.


That is neither related to the problem described in this thread, nor does it appear to be a problem with WP.


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29 Aug 2012, 5:22 pm

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That is neither related to the problem described in this thread, nor does it appear to be a problem with WP.
Nevertheless, there are page load delays with WP at the moment which I've not seen for some time. Bypassing CloudFlare resolves the issue, as usual.


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30 Aug 2012, 12:36 am

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... microsoft word office, the ''paste'' option was disabled, so I couldn't paste it.


That simply means that there was nothing on the clipboard that Word could paste. You must have fumbled the copy operation or cleared the clipboard.



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30 Aug 2012, 2:52 pm

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... microsoft word office, the ''paste'' option was disabled, so I couldn't paste it.


That simply means that there was nothing on the clipboard that Word could paste. You must have fumbled the copy operation or cleared the clipboard.


Maybe I done it quick in frustration, and clicked ''paste'' when I was supposed to click ''copy'' or something. :)

I think the ''paste'' option should be disabled when you haven't copied anything previously, and when you're highlighing a piece of text, since the ''paste'' option doesn't do anything anyway when you click it when highlighting a text and you haven't copied anything before.

Next time I should just press print screen. Nothing can go wrong then, and I can paste it up on Paint, even if it means I have to physically copy it out again.


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