31 Aug 2015, 10:59 am
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Yes it is absurd and down right awful.
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
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I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
---
I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Yeah, I just sent my resume to an employment agency and am awaiting their reply, because that seems alot more proactive than my mom's method of just "applying anywhere and everywhere, and, like a lottery, just waiting to see what happens!" - in the meantime, though, I'm still gonna do precisely that, just to get her off my back about it.
Just explain to her if not show her how god awful the process is currently.
The employment agency should work better.
Yeah, but the problem is, I've got a deadline: Sep 24. That's when my first of twelve payments of $316.50 is due to my school (that's the whole reason I've been even looking for a job). And my mom just seems so fixated on that that if I tried to show her how crappy the "process" is today, she would just think I'm making excuses and that I just don't "want to work".
Well then do the best you can.
Thanks, man - much appreciated. I will do the best I can!
31 Aug 2015, 11:07 am
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Yes it is absurd and down right awful.
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
---
I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
---
I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Yeah, I just sent my resume to an employment agency and am awaiting their reply, because that seems alot more proactive than my mom's method of just "applying anywhere and everywhere, and, like a lottery, just waiting to see what happens!" - in the meantime, though, I'm still gonna do precisely that, just to get her off my back about it.
Just explain to her if not show her how god awful the process is currently.
The employment agency should work better.
Yeah, but the problem is, I've got a deadline: Sep 24. That's when my first of twelve payments of $316.50 is due to my school (that's the whole reason I've been even looking for a job). And my mom just seems so fixated on that that if I tried to show her how crappy the "process" is today, she would just think I'm making excuses and that I just don't "want to work".
Well then do the best you can.
Thanks, man - much appreciated. I will do the best I can!
Want to make a bet on who will get a job first?
(technically I've had 4 jobs already).
31 Aug 2015, 11:11 am
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
deafghost52 wrote:
xenocity wrote:
Yes it is absurd and down right awful.
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
---
I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Today you need to "have experience to get experience!"
Most jobs these days have high requirements for the most menial of job.
Getting through HR process to the actual people who work in that division or do the actual work, is very very hard.
In my awful experience, as I have stated repeatedly goes something like this:
Internship(s) require 2-3+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE , for practically every field now along side a laundry list of skills you need.
Oh many if not most now require said bachelors or masters degrees (I've seen the listings)
You want entry level work in a field, you need between 3-5+ years of INDUSTRY EXPERIENCE!
Oh you need the necessary INDUSTRY CERTIFICATIONS (which you can only get while being employed in an industry job), on top of the laundry list of skills.
You want to work retail, they now expect you to have X amount of years of retail experience and actual work references to be a cashier or sales associate (work on the floor).
Some even require college degrees,
Add this on top of each company has their own employment software system that requires you to create an account and take ~1 hour (or more) to fill out the digital forms and questionnaires, you just want to give up in the end.
Oh the economy maybe growing, but most states are not seeing decent job creation yet outside of West Coast, TX, and East Coast.
Oh and before someone tells you to go to a job fair, from my experience very few companies at them actually hire let alone take resumes at their booths. If they are hiring, they give you a card with a web address to their hiring site for you to apply digitally.
Those people at their booths don't see any of it.
Beware most companies use scanning software, which looks for keywords, though you don't know what they are looking for for the most part.
Those who hit the most keywords are looked at by HR for possible interviews.
Also the longer you've gone without work (even if you have been in school and/or applying at places), it decreases your chances of getting interviews (they think something is wrong with you).
There is a high unemployment rate for those 30 years and younger.
The unemployment rate for those 31-40 is upticking a people age into this group.
Remember you are probably competing against those in their 30s and 40s, who are also struggling to find employment even with valid work experience.
---
I personally gave up and went to my state agency that deals with people with disabilities.
I'm just waiting to hear when my next appointment is (They have to get my medical records to see if I am eligible).
Yeah, I just sent my resume to an employment agency and am awaiting their reply, because that seems alot more proactive than my mom's method of just "applying anywhere and everywhere, and, like a lottery, just waiting to see what happens!" - in the meantime, though, I'm still gonna do precisely that, just to get her off my back about it.
Just explain to her if not show her how god awful the process is currently.
The employment agency should work better.
Yeah, but the problem is, I've got a deadline: Sep 24. That's when my first of twelve payments of $316.50 is due to my school (that's the whole reason I've been even looking for a job). And my mom just seems so fixated on that that if I tried to show her how crappy the "process" is today, she would just think I'm making excuses and that I just don't "want to work".
Well then do the best you can.
Thanks, man - much appreciated. I will do the best I can!
Want to make a bet on who will get a job first?
(technically I've had 4 jobs already).
Meh, not really. I've had about three jobs (at least, that I would consider jobs), so I'm not new to it either, just inexperienced and unmotivated (since two of them ended up being very short term).
31 Aug 2015, 2:34 pm
31 Aug 2015, 2:39 pm
Job hunting to me seems perfectly reasonable, it's the amount of time and energy people put into their professional images in general that's absurd. The more time you spend over a cup of coffee and a laptop worrying about your job prospects, the more desperate you'll be for a job and the less chances you'll have to pick up a quick gig elsewhere. That, and worrying can cost a lot of money. My software contracting is hit or miss but the more time I spend chilling out between jobs, the farther my money goes anyway.
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31 Aug 2015, 4:34 pm
I just got off the phone with my dad asking if I might be able to stay with him, but he says he's in no position to do that right now, and that I just have to kick some ass and get a full-time job ASAP, because it's not doing me any good to just sit around and not work (and it's certainly doing no good for my mom, either). So, I've decided to leave this thread for a while (I just don't have the heart to close it yet), as I think I finally have my answer: yes, it is absurd, but that doesn't mean I shouldn't do it. Again, thank you everyone for posting, and wish me luck! 
I guess I'll come back to this thread when I have a job, as a celebration.
31 Aug 2015, 6:58 pm
04 Sep 2015, 12:20 am
beakybird, you S.O.B., the employment agency thing worked! I got a manufacturing position at a pharmaceutical company through an agency called Employment Solutions, and today I had my first training! It's full-time (with overtime - basically any Saturdays I feel like working other than the every third Saturday that I'm going to be working by default), the pay is quite excellent, and the shift seems perfect for me (2-10:30 PM, M-F: my most active hours of the day)! I also might get a morning job in a freight-unloading position at Kohl's, because I just had an interview for that, so that's exciting! I'm getting a lot more than I had originally bargained for, and am so grateful for it! Especially to you guys - you all rock! Thanks for the support, because it really did help a lot. 
04 Sep 2015, 12:35 am
04 Sep 2015, 12:35 am
04 Sep 2015, 12:40 am
starkid wrote:
You only worked a four-hour day at Goodwill? You aren't owed a lunch period for that amount of work. You get a break, fifteen minutes is standard. Bring a snack next time.
Well, it was just a messed up situation, because I worked the first day from 10-2, and at 12, as usual, I was pretty hungry, but I didn't bring anything, believing that I could just work the full four hours without a food break, but I was wrong. So that's basically what happened then. Today was different, though - 8 & 3/4 hour day at this pharmaceutical company that I'm now working at, with a break at 5, when I ate supper in the break room (and it is a nice break room). I felt great at the end of the day! And I think it's simply going to get better.
04 Sep 2015, 6:22 am
deafghost52 wrote:
beakybird, you S.O.B., the employment agency thing worked! I got a manufacturing position at a pharmaceutical company through an agency called Employment Solutions, and today I had my first training! It's full-time (with overtime - basically any Saturdays I feel like working other than the every third Saturday that I'm going to be working by default), the pay is quite excellent, and the shift seems perfect for me (2-10:30 PM, M-F: my most active hours of the day)! I also might get a morning job in a freight-unloading position at Kohl's, because I just had an interview for that, so that's exciting! I'm getting a lot more than I had originally bargained for, and am so grateful for it! Especially to you guys - you all rock! Thanks for the support, because it really did help a lot.
That is really awesome man. Congrats. Really glad something I did actually helped someone. Really makes me happy to hear. Good luck with that, and more importantly your music man...
04 Sep 2015, 7:45 am
04 Sep 2015, 9:08 pm
deafghost52 wrote:
beakybird, you S.O.B., the employment agency thing worked! I got a manufacturing position at a pharmaceutical company through an agency called Employment Solutions, and today I had my first training! It's full-time (with overtime - basically any Saturdays I feel like working other than the every third Saturday that I'm going to be working by default), the pay is quite excellent, and the shift seems perfect for me (2-10:30 PM, M-F: my most active hours of the day)! I also might get a morning job in a freight-unloading position at Kohl's, because I just had an interview for that, so that's exciting! I'm getting a lot more than I had originally bargained for, and am so grateful for it! Especially to you guys - you all rock! Thanks for the support, because it really did help a lot.
HOORAY! =D That's so great to hear! Good luck! And enjoy that fancy breakroom.
xenocity wrote:
Actually that's only true for some companies.
Many companies use keywords not found in their posting, in order to greatly weed out the candidates to a small reasonable number.
Many companies also penalize you for using keywords from their listing, even to the extent of throwing out all the resumes/cover letters that use them.
The process is normally multi step non the less, with each step having it's own classification leading to whether or not you get an interview.
The first person normally filters out the resumes that look good and send them to the higher up HR person.
The higher up HR person then uses their set of qualifications they use to further filter out the resumes then sends it to someone or panel in charge of deciding who gets interviewed.
Any decent sized company has it's own job portal, where you create an account where you fill out all the digital forms and questionnaires (many don't even allow you to upload a resume and cover letter) which is the basis for your profile on their job portal.
Hopefully the job portal allows you to use your LinkedIn account making it faster.
I've talked to many people who work or worked in HR/hiring over that past few years who tell a much different story than you.
I've also had my fair share of interviews (which I'm told from my fellow graduates it is more than many of them), which has lead to me not getting hired because I'm "not experienced enough", "not perfect enough (seriously this has been said to me quite a few times)" and you are expected to "hit the ground running" as in you are expected to full do the job without any training or adjustment phase.
Many companies use keywords not found in their posting, in order to greatly weed out the candidates to a small reasonable number.
Many companies also penalize you for using keywords from their listing, even to the extent of throwing out all the resumes/cover letters that use them.
The process is normally multi step non the less, with each step having it's own classification leading to whether or not you get an interview.
The first person normally filters out the resumes that look good and send them to the higher up HR person.
The higher up HR person then uses their set of qualifications they use to further filter out the resumes then sends it to someone or panel in charge of deciding who gets interviewed.
Any decent sized company has it's own job portal, where you create an account where you fill out all the digital forms and questionnaires (many don't even allow you to upload a resume and cover letter) which is the basis for your profile on their job portal.
Hopefully the job portal allows you to use your LinkedIn account making it faster.
I've talked to many people who work or worked in HR/hiring over that past few years who tell a much different story than you.
I've also had my fair share of interviews (which I'm told from my fellow graduates it is more than many of them), which has lead to me not getting hired because I'm "not experienced enough", "not perfect enough (seriously this has been said to me quite a few times)" and you are expected to "hit the ground running" as in you are expected to full do the job without any training or adjustment phase.
That's weird, because all the Talent Acquisition (HR, but more focused) people I've talked to say that they use the keywords the way I described. There's nothing secretive and overlordish about job applications. Even if it feels that way when it seems impossible to get one. But I've only worked in publishing, advertising, marketing, contracting, tech, and that one weird fashion job. Which are kind of progressive...I guess. What field are you in? I've never run across a company with no onboarding process.
I spent the past year and a half bouncing from interview to interview, getting to the third/fourth/ect rounds and then nowhere until a few weeks ago, so I do understand your frustration. It's awful. Soul-sucking, depressing, destroy-your-sense-of-self-worth awful. But at least the job market is bouncing back. So, it should get even better!
04 Sep 2015, 9:19 pm
04 Sep 2015, 10:31 pm
