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28 Feb 2020, 3:09 pm

I should know that the Virgin Mary is not “divine”—but, rather, is venerated rather like a saint in Catholicism is venerated.

I have never blasphemed, in any sense, against any believer in religion. I am a nonbeliever in religion, but a believer in the moral and ethical aspects of religion.



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28 Feb 2020, 3:15 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
I should know that the Virgin Mary is not “divine”—but, rather, is venerated rather like a saint in Catholicism is venerated.

I have never blasphemed, in any sense, against any believer in religion. I am a nonbeliever in religion, but a believer in the moral and ethical aspects of religion.

I don't think Borromeo was accusing of you of blasphemy, just expressing frustration over you calling Our Lady "divine."


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28 Feb 2020, 3:39 pm

Oh right.. Fatima who i guess she was named after was actually a daughter of Muhammad. She nursed the wounded and thats the main thing I remember about her. I dont like the name because it has the word fat in it.

my moms name does too.


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28 Feb 2020, 3:40 pm

Im pretty sure that like most names it dates beforr Islam. In fact I think it is a Jewish name too. I might be wrong.


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28 Feb 2020, 3:53 pm

blooiejagwa wrote:
Im pretty sure that like most names it dates beforr Islam. In fact I think it is a Jewish name too. I might be wrong.

I'm not sure if it's Hebrew, Arabic, or if it comes from some earlier semitic language. I do know what is means though, it roughly translates to something along the lines of "self-restrained" and "fruitful." I find this interesting because, for me at least, it kind of points me to Our Lady as the Virgin Mother, "self-restraint" and "fruitfulness" on a miraculous level.


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

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28 Feb 2020, 7:57 pm

I think you should stick around. As you can see here not all threads turn sour. But then again you have posted less since 2012 than I post in a week, so I did not expect to see much if anything from you beyond these least couple of days anyways. I am the same way on another autism forum. I think I have only made about 400 posts there since 2013.



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28 Feb 2020, 8:11 pm

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I think you should stick around. As you can see here not all threads turn sour. But then again you have posted less since 2012 than I post in a week, so I did not expect to see much if anything from you beyond these least couple of days anyways. I am the same way on another autism forum. I think I have only made about 400 posts there since 2013.

Yeah, I've had many threads go okay on here. I might be back as early as mid to late April on here, as both Lent and my online university course should be over by then.

I've looked up my stats on the Traditional Catholic forum site, I have made 527 posts since joining that site back in 2018. Albeit most of those posts were probably prayer requests, since I struggled with sin a lot up until January this year.


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

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28 Feb 2020, 10:45 pm

Best wishes on your online course. I need to get cracking on that myself.

I happened to be in a church on ash wednesday without knowing it was. The pastor talked about fat tuesday, ash wednesday and lent. I like him. He works with special needs kids. I decided to give up candy for lent. See if I can stick to it. The real challenge will be remembering to for 40 days.



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28 Feb 2020, 11:12 pm

Greatshield17:

Because this is turning into a faith-based discussion and you seem to jive with and not be annoyed by me..
I thought you might like this video. You’ll see why as you watch it


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28 Feb 2020, 11:20 pm

I don't think you should leave, unless you really want to. That said you do have to realize people on here have very different beliefs and some don't follow any religion so there is going to be disagreement and threads that turn sour I suppose.

Also people are allowed their opinions, so probably best not to go on a rage of people blaspheming if they disagree with your religious perspective. That said some of the people on that thread in my view were being kind of rude to you initially so its understandable you got upset and may have got a little carried away. I mean I am just going to say now I think overall christianity is BS and quite a lot of toxicity can come from it I mean there are cults, people who take their beliefs too far and people who don't understand seperation of state and religion in this country.

But that doesn't mean I should go around telling people their personal faith is wrong. My dad is a catholic, he doesn't go to church because well he got pissed off too many times by hypocrisy but he has his faith and I can't tell him he is wrong for that, if anything it probably helps him.

I guess one thing I could say is sometimes you can seem a bit judgemental, and well maybe think of what Jesus said about judging. Like people here may say things you find to be blasphemy, but could be they just have a different belief system/ideas so probably best not to try passing judgment about that kind of stuff.


I grew up in protestant christianity, rejected it and now I am I guess agnostic because don't hold any real beliefs but also cannot be sure there aren't any kinds of spiritual beings or whatever. But I will admit I generally find some of the ideas of what Jesus preached to be good ideas. My dad was catholic, my mom was protestant...so as far as I can tell in both branches the teaching are similar in regards to that figure. But I recall one time my dad had said even if satan himself was knocking at the door begging for help, he would help him...my mom was quite mad at him for saying that.

Anyways you could always take a little break...I frequently take breaks from this site but still don't want to abandon it entirely.


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29 Feb 2020, 12:23 am

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Best wishes on your online course. I need to get cracking on that myself.

I happened to be in a church on ash wednesday without knowing it was. The pastor talked about fat tuesday, ash wednesday and lent. I like him. He works with special needs kids. I decided to give up candy for lent. See if I can stick to it. The real challenge will be remembering to for 40 days.

Yeah, I remember my first Ash Wednesday. I can't remember whether I got up late, or just forgot, but I remember rushing out the door and not having time to put my glasses on and arriving at mass a bit out of it because of the rush.

Good luck with giving up candy. I've actually been trying to go for the old medieval form of fasting for Lent for a few years now. This year, I may be very close to pulling it off, apart from having milk and cheese at my place, coffee in the morning, attending dinner at my parents place, and other unforeseen events, I'm pretty much doing the kind of Lenten fasting Catholics have done in the past. Also, A&W, a Canadian fast-food chain that was originally part of an American chain of the same name, but had been sold off and is now different different from the American one; has brought back their Cod burgers and wraps. Usually A&W brings out their Cod burgers and wraps in the summertime, but this year they have them out just in time for the Lenten season. So I kind of want to go there for lunch and order some cod wraps to show my gratitude for A&W doing this during the Lenten season, as well as just enjoying a good meal. :lol:


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

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29 Feb 2020, 12:25 am

blooiejagwa wrote:
Greatshield17:

Because this is turning into a faith-based discussion and you seem to jive with and not be annoyed by me..
I thought you might like this video. You’ll see why as you watch it


Yes you're not annoying me at all, I'm enjoying your friendliness. :)

Thanks for sharing this with me, I'll definitely keep that family in my prayers.


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

WP is the 2nd worst forum site I have ever been on.


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29 Feb 2020, 12:48 am

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I don't think you should leave, unless you really want to. That said you do have to realize people on here have very different beliefs and some don't follow any religion so there is going to be disagreement and threads that turn sour I suppose.

Also people are allowed their opinions, so probably best not to go on a rage of people blaspheming if they disagree with your religious perspective. That said some of the people on that thread in my view were being kind of rude to you initially so its understandable you got upset and may have got a little carried away. I mean I am just going to say now I think overall christianity is BS and quite a lot of toxicity can come from it I mean there are cults, people who take their beliefs too far and people who don't understand seperation of state and religion in this country.

But that doesn't mean I should go around telling people their personal faith is wrong. My dad is a catholic, he doesn't go to church because well he got pissed off too many times by hypocrisy but he has his faith and I can't tell him he is wrong for that, if anything it probably helps him.

I guess one thing I could say is sometimes you can seem a bit judgemental, and well maybe think of what Jesus said about judging. Like people here may say things you find to be blasphemy, but could be they just have a different belief system/ideas so probably best not to try passing judgment about that kind of stuff.


I grew up in protestant christianity, rejected it and now I am I guess agnostic because don't hold any real beliefs but also cannot be sure there aren't any kinds of spiritual beings or whatever. But I will admit I generally find some of the ideas of what Jesus preached to be good ideas. My dad was catholic, my mom was protestant...so as far as I can tell in both branches the teaching are similar in regards to that figure. But I recall one time my dad had said even if satan himself was knocking at the door begging for help, he would help him...my mom was quite mad at him for saying that.

Anyways you could always take a little break...I frequently take breaks from this site but still don't want to abandon it entirely.

Thanks, I certainly wouldn't help Satan, but I'd like to be holy enough not ensnare him in a falsehood if I were ever to be face to face with him. Your dad's comment reminded me of Faramir in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. In the original books, Faramir is portrayed as an old-fashion saintly character and at one point, he says he wouldn't even ensnare an orc in a falsehood. I'd like to be as saintly as that.

If you don't mind me requesting this, if religion ever comes up in your family's discussions, tell your dad that I come home from mass every Sunday exhausted and stressed out. At mass I have to struggle with tuning out the irreverent music on one hand, and stopping my mind with wandering away from all of it on the other. I don't socialize a lot after mass, but I know from RCIA that there is a lot arguing, gossiping and backbiting going on at my parish. Yet despite all that I still go to Sunday mass every week, in fact I go to both Saturday and Sunday masses, despite the fact that Saturday mass has music that's slightly less bad, and that attending Saturday mass alone, is sufficient to fulfill one's Sunday obligation. I go because it's worth it to receive Christ truly present in the Most Holy Sacrament of the altar.


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

WP is the 2nd worst forum site I have ever been on.


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29 Feb 2020, 1:25 am

Greatshield17 wrote:
Sweetleaf wrote:
I don't think you should leave, unless you really want to. That said you do have to realize people on here have very different beliefs and some don't follow any religion so there is going to be disagreement and threads that turn sour I suppose.

Also people are allowed their opinions, so probably best not to go on a rage of people blaspheming if they disagree with your religious perspective. That said some of the people on that thread in my view were being kind of rude to you initially so its understandable you got upset and may have got a little carried away. I mean I am just going to say now I think overall christianity is BS and quite a lot of toxicity can come from it I mean there are cults, people who take their beliefs too far and people who don't understand seperation of state and religion in this country.

But that doesn't mean I should go around telling people their personal faith is wrong. My dad is a catholic, he doesn't go to church because well he got pissed off too many times by hypocrisy but he has his faith and I can't tell him he is wrong for that, if anything it probably helps him.

I guess one thing I could say is sometimes you can seem a bit judgemental, and well maybe think of what Jesus said about judging. Like people here may say things you find to be blasphemy, but could be they just have a different belief system/ideas so probably best not to try passing judgment about that kind of stuff.


I grew up in protestant christianity, rejected it and now I am I guess agnostic because don't hold any real beliefs but also cannot be sure there aren't any kinds of spiritual beings or whatever. But I will admit I generally find some of the ideas of what Jesus preached to be good ideas. My dad was catholic, my mom was protestant...so as far as I can tell in both branches the teaching are similar in regards to that figure. But I recall one time my dad had said even if satan himself was knocking at the door begging for help, he would help him...my mom was quite mad at him for saying that.

Anyways you could always take a little break...I frequently take breaks from this site but still don't want to abandon it entirely.

Thanks, I certainly wouldn't help Satan, but I'd like to be holy enough not ensnare him in a falsehood if I were ever to be face to face with him. Your dad's comment reminded me of Faramir in the Lord of the Rings Trilogy. In the original books, Faramir is portrayed as an old-fashion saintly character and at one point, he says he wouldn't even ensnare an orc in a falsehood. I'd like to be as saintly as that.

Just found this Eastern Christian Video, thought I'd share it because it does touch a bit on showing mercy to demons and the
interesting effect it has:


Domine Jesu Christe, Fili Dei, miserere mei, peccatoris!


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

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29 Feb 2020, 1:48 am

I'm guessing that Catholicism is your special interest and you love talking about it.

I have special interests, but I don't use this forum to talk about them. I use specialised forums for that and I use Wrong planet for feelings and life relating to autism.

Maybe you would be better to compartmentalize like that. Keep Wrong Planet for autism related topics.



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29 Feb 2020, 2:30 am

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I'm guessing that Catholicism is your special interest and you love talking about it.

I have special interests, but I don't use this forum to talk about them. I use specialised forums for that and I use Wrong planet for feelings and life relating to autism.

Maybe you would be better to compartmentalize like that. Keep Wrong Planet for autism related topics.

It’s not that simple, Catholicism the Faith, the Church, the culture, all of it is quite broad for specialties. (My post last can testify to that.)

WrongPlanet is also quite broad, and there is plenty of space to talk about issues that aren’t that sensitive. As I mentioned in a previous post a lot of threads have gone much smoother for me.

I can of course find other lesser topics to talk about. Like I could, maybe I will when I get back, post a thread in the random stuff sub forum discussing A&W Canada vs USA and asking if anyone has ever come across or tried the other country’s version. But these ideas come and go so you never know when something like that has popped up. The same goes for autism-related stuff, right now, the only thing I can think of in regards to that topic is dating, and I’m not ready to date yet, as I haven’t got a job yet, and my home is a mess.


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Don't bother with me, I'm just a narrow-minded bigot who does nothing but "proselytize" not because I actually love the Faith, because no one loves the Faith, we're just "using it to justify our bigotry." If you see any thread by me on here that isn't "proselytizing," I can't explain that because that's obviously impossible; because again, all I've ever done on here is "proselytize."

WP is the 2nd worst forum site I have ever been on.