"Ageism" is nonsense

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Well So Much Promise in College; yet

With My Form of Asperger's Syndrome

And All the Data Input of Making Straight

A's, i Did Not have Proficient Social Abilities to

Get 3 Degrees Of Learning Back Out Into An Environment

Of Work; So i Worked For Almost Minimum Wage At the Only

Job i could 'Stutter my Way' Into; Serving Out Shoes At a Military

Bowling Center; Non-Appropriated Federal Service; Converted into

Appropriated Pay for Double of What i Earned for Doing the Same Job;

Yeah, Eventually Managing the place having no Desire to Even Learn how to Bowl;

Short Stint Approving Print Jobs at Another Navy Station in A Reduction of Force;

And Lord Knows, Returned to A Temporary Promotion Back in my Local Area Out

of the Bigger City Down the Road, Community

Activities Director as i had

No Interest to do that either

And Finally Athletics Director

At The Military Installation, All

For the Computer Skills i Earned

Along the Way in Supporting the Folks

Who Really Couldn't Handle the Systemizing

Part of the Newer Information Technologies, alone;

Yeah It's Pretty Much A Miracle i lasted as Long as i did;

Yet if We Don't have many Social Ways to Fit in Social Work-Circles,

We May

Bet a Bit of

Out-of-Synch

For What Group Think

Even Requires to Survive;

Hehe, the Last Kid Picked in

Sports Teams in School Never

Imagined Supervising A World of 'Jocks'...

The Systemizing Solving Problems Stuff for me;

Yet, People, Just not An Area i Wanted to Manage And Supervise ...

Yet, For someone like me, Always hanging on to the Job; Whatever Job

Of Gold Helping me to survive, i took What i could Take as Long as i could Possibly do it...

i had no idea

What the Next

Chapter of My Life

Would Be; it was hard for

Folks Around me to See all the

Pain and Numb as all My Disabilities

Functional counting 19 Were Not Physically Visible

Yet Still the Worst Pain, Type Two Trigeminal Neuralgia,

Known to Humankind, No Drug Would Touch From Wake to Sleep

For 66 Months; My Sister Kept me telling me i needed to Start A New Chapter

Of my Life; Yet i was holding

On to Any Memory

i could to

Keep From

Feeding Vultures

So my Life would have

Some Purpose Again through

33 Months of Stuck in Pain and

Numb on ThanksGiving Day 2010

One Word Was a Mountain

Of Pain to Type

On the 'Wrong

Planet' to try to

Escape the Other Pain someway

And True that was the First Word

of A New Chapter of My Life Story;

i hated Poetry; i hated Email; i Hated Writing

At all; if not for the Pain and Numb, i'd still Be Silent..

Silent

Just

Fixing

The Problems

of Someone Else's Life...

Hmm.. Some things have changed...

And i am Surely Not Afraid of the Benefits of Age...

If i visited the 'Wrong Planet' before, There is no Way

i would have Written A Word, Before that Pain;

Yet, Read i would,

Yet, never

Leaving

A Foot Print Behind

Beyond Read, i realize

Those People exist;

And The Silent ones

Are Just as Important as the ones Who

Have What it takes to Express Themselves

In the World; Yet, of Course, You and i have

Something a Bit Rare in Common here; Non-Verbal

Children me until 4; and if i remember Correctly

You At Age 5. i've Noticed a Pattern That

Folks on the Autism Spectrum

This Way See Life in More

of a 'Right Brain' Metaphor

Way Standing to

Reason of Course

For Left Brain Ways

Of Speech too; i've often

Noticed that the Right Brain Metaphor

Comes with More Patience, Understanding

And Overall Empathy That Really Feels And Cares...

Yes, Different Strokes

For Different

Folks; Just

Really Never

Thought Mine would Be

With Written Communication

And Not in a Zillion Years Public

Dance, i Was Terrified to Even

Walk In A Walmart Without

'My Service Wife' Beside me

to Navigate 'That Chaos then'

As i couldn't Filter Stimuli Out;

Interestingly, the Flow of Dance

Is what Helped me Actually do it;

Yet it just goes to show, i believe,

We Gain More From What We Use

And Lose More For What We Do Not;

So Much Human Potential; So Much Potential

That Otherwise may not be Tapped in One Lifetime now...

Fascinating; God Yes Still

Truly Fascinating to me...

This Human Condition; all

the Ups and downs; Strikes

And Gutterballs As Bowling

Was Certainly A Religion in that Bowling Center

Then; All they Wanted to Knock Down to Bind; to Bond; the Pins, not each other;

Hehe And More than A Few Beers too and So Very Many Cigarettes too; Just Part of 'That Religion'..

Ironically, I was really into bowling as a kid. I watched the Professional Bowlers Tour every Saturday, and had my favorites. My best average was about 130. I had a 74 average at age 12. Would throw tantrums when I got a gutterball.

You certainly turned into Walt Whitman; I wish I had that “flair.”

Hehe Kraftie,
at Work Folks Made
Fun of me as My Creativity

Was Really Limited to Copying and

Pasting High Scores in the Same One Page Bowling

Center NewsLetter As it Was Almost Impossible for me

to make a list of more than 1, 2, 3, and 4 Just Writing

That one Page Once Was So Hard to Do that i actually Used

For More than 10 Years to Do the Same Page Published in the

Local Paper too, Where my Wife, 'Lois Lane', Worked then; Haha yes, Katrina

For 13 Years there; Some How, Some Way, Like a Real Miracle That Didn't Even

Seem Like Part of me, a Spark Deep within awakes in 8th Grade Just Long Enough

To Win First place for A Christmas Story among two Home Rooms of 80 Kids then;

It didn't Happen again, until 18 Years Old in '78, in a Philosophy Class; the Flow Came Shortly

Again; Found my First Love (she found me); And Poof That Was Gone too; Dark Haired Half American/

Cuban Girl, New TOTAL Focus of Special Interest for 10 Months until that was over and the Creativity

Didn't come Back until February 28th in 2013; Just like Magic Again; the Eternal

Magic of Flow of the moment Writing A Private Message to my only

Facebook Friend then; First Blog Post i ever wrote on my Perspective

of Life too; And a First Stepping stone to Eventual Recovery

From all the Pain and Numb on 7.19.2013; And A Month

Later then on 8.18.2013, Start of 88 Months and

8.8 MiLLioN Words of an Epic Longest Long Form

Poem Now And 14,244 Miles of Public Dance Yet,

You See in College, i checked

Out a Book on Creativity

At Least 20 times and

Never Even Found the

Focus to Read it as

i wanted that

Magic Again;

Smiles, i created my

First Piano Piece in '07, Shortly

Before i had to stop working

in so much Pain and Numb then;

Yes, Deep Within A Dance And Song

of my soul to Be Released; Whitman And

'Song of Myself' no Different Really in Essence

of Human Creativity that Doesn't Have to Plan Just

Flows

Like

A River

Never Ending;

Haha, some folks

See it 'Running Off'

In Not So Nice Ways

of Describing It; Yet Not that

Way from The Women of India;

Indeed This is Year of 'The Goddess Poet'

to me for those Who have the Ability Most to hear what i say

Deeper

than
i ever

'Knew'

Per 'Regular
Perception And Construction' of

Cognitive Abilities Writing Before

More Concrete And Black And White...

i Have No 'Knowing' Idea How i Dance or Sing Now;

And Quite Honestly, if i try to 'Think' about it, the gift goes away...

This is Not That Uncommon of an Experience and it's understandable

When It's Rare than Some folks Will Say One Has a Voice of God Hehe;

Just a Deeper One of the Nature of Humanity; The Nature of All i relate

too as A Dance

And Song

of my

Soul

In Verb

This Love

God That makes

Life Truly Worth Living

Just FLoWinG As A River in Ease

Haha; And sure, Flooding River Banks/Shores; Now and then too as a TSuNaMi of Words

Will; Yet doing What it takes Now in Flow to Never Dry Up to only A River Bed Dead Again;

Other than That it Keeps my Bi-Polar And Asperger's Syndrome in Check With a Bio-Feed

Back of Flow to Regulate Emotions And Integrate Senses Without Drugs; i Literally Have

A Prescription For my Public Dance From a Psychiatrist; 'They' Don't Do that

As A Joke; it is Studied As Effective Moving Meditation That Works Just

Like Healing of Meditative Writing in Flow That Gave my

Body Finally The Opportunity to Heal With Less Stress

In that 66 Month Overall Rise Out of Hell;

And What is Also Identified

Specific to Autism

Burn-Out as Well;

No Doubt Many

Artists New

And Creatively

Original Are Just

Another Phoenix

Rising From The Depths of Human

Hell As Many Rings of Dead Trees as

Rainbows Imagine Colors More in Human Form...

Truly Wonderland my FRiEnD; Oz, All the places With

New Colors to See

And Breathe;

indeed,

Far beyond

Any Conception of

Age, Distance, Space,

Time or Even matter

As Our Minds

Are Beyond

All Science Measure;

Easier to See When We

Paint More Colors of Wind...

i Will Do this 24 Hours Straight

Without Even Thinking About Moving

Off This Chair And Eating Yet my Wife

Reminds Me to Come Back to Earth Hehe;

Yes As 'NeverLand' Will Do Without me too;

This is Also A Case Study of How Neurodiversity changes;

i do my Best to Explain the Process to the best of my Abilities too;

Yet the Yang Will Have A Very Difficult 'Time' Keeping Up with the Yin Time 'out of Time'

Just Another

Metaphor

Of 'Right

Brain Big Picture

Seeing' Versus

Left Brain Detail Thinking;

i have the Potential of going

Back to the Other Place; Yet

Rarely Do i As this Heaven Within Generating Now is Really Just Bliss....

And Sure, i Leave 'A Few Fumes' Behind for A Record of Where i go too...

Life is A Balance

For me

Life is Always

Dancing A Tight

Rope Higher in Ease As Long

As as i Surf This Wave of Life Free;

Yet Again to Reiterate This Surely is

WRiTE on Topic As All i am Doing Defeats

Any Feel

And

Sense

of 'Ageism'

Or the Numbers

Trapped in that Human

Illusory Construct Our Neo Cortex Breeds Rather

Isolated From the Rest of Human Potential Free to Seek And Find

Simply

to Explore

Every New Frontier Now

Where Spock and Sheldon

Cooper Break Out in Joyous

Dance And Song Again Freer too...

'They' Canceled the Shows Before that

Happened' As That/This is Sadly What often Happens in 'Real Life True'..

I respect people that give me reason to respect them(outside of just the general respect I have of all living things). I won't necessarily respect an old person more than a young person, it would for sure depend on the young person or the old person.

Also, some elders are jerks, I have observed quite a few trying to pretend they don't understand they need a mask to enter a public business(they know damn well they're just being obtuse). Or the other day at work some old guy asked if they could try something on in the bathroom, I said we actually can't allow that right now(store policy is people can't try stuff on during the pandemic)...they just acted like they couldn't comprehend being told no and said they were just going to. IDK why they even asked if they were just not going to even listen.

I am not trying to talk crap on all old people...but I do find there are all sorts in any age group. I don't find someone being older gives me a feeling of more respect for them though there are old people I certainly do have higher respect for.

The way I see it is within a family.

Maybe I am lucky with the family I have.

But I have the greatest respect for granddad. The respect for mum and her sister. Love for my cousins and step-sisters. A feeling of protection over my nephews and nieces.

Granddad is who everyone goes to for help. He's the guy who basically formed my life after my breakdown & who helps mum with taxes etc, random bits of life that are quite specialised (in the UK at least, most people don't file taxes so it's a specialist skill mum only started needing in her 40s). When my cousins and I need help with more basic stuff, we go to our mothers so for eg, advice on how to cook meals and do cleaning etc. When my nephews or nieces need help with stuff I consider basic and they don't (like how to write a 1000 word essay or how to do their times tables etc), they go to my step-sisters and sometimes to me. The little ones play with me & I look after them. I teach a 2 yo not to run too fast near a lake - he doesn't teach me the same thing because it's something grown ups know about, not kids.

Granddad's now at the age where his kids look after him. In 30 years time, it will be me and my cousins' jobs to look after our mothers in the same way. I wouldn't be mature enough to look after him yet - my mum is. Taking care of an elderly parent is a different sort of responsibility to child rearing or helping out adult offspring.

It has to be both ways though. If someone is unfortunate and does not come from a family where they receive advice and protection from elders, they shouldn't have the need to respect those people. In some cultures/families, that's normal after adulthood - even as young as 16. They get kicked out of home & their relationship with their parents is either negative or more like mates/same age relatives.

For some families, which I consider to be really unfortunate, it happens in childhood too - the adults not protecting the kids from harm or helping them. Those kinds of people, the kind who refuse to protect/nurture their own young children, deserve respect from nobody. Only exception for that is if it's a mother who's got post-natal depression, hopefully she finds a cure for it because it's an actual illness. I consider it abnormal not to want to protect/look after/rear your young kids (children and young teenagers), I don't care what culture you're from - maybe a patriarchal society would have dad doing some of it and mum doing the other bits (and some parents employ nannies or sent kids to boarding school etc) but even so, they would make sure the kids are safe & sheltered & fed etc.

Animals reach maturity quicker than we do but most nature shows I watch, free animals look after their offspring & protect them & keep them fed until they are old enough. It's part of why you can't get a pet kitten who's too young - the mother cat is likely still looking after it. That's how deep this stuff goes, elder takes care of offspring.
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Outside the family, there are certain elders I don't respect. There's no young ones I wouldn't protect if they were young enough (teens), although there are young people (I'm still fairly young myself) whose training I respect as greater than my own and who I know as an acquaintance so the balance of respect is always me respecting them (I think my dr is in her late 20s for eg and it's me taking her advice not the other way around). All the younger people I know who I respect in the same way I respect my grandfather, I know in a professional manner.

I found it really hard in my volunteering position when there were women there who I couldn't respect who were in their 60s and 70s. They'd spent entire lives in ignorance. That's sad to me. Older people ought to be people who've gained knowledge through life, not people who deliberately spout bitterness & ignorance. I hope they have some kind of life lessons etc to offer to their own children and grandchildren, as they had nothing to offer to me except hatred & negativity.
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Family is massive for me and my relatives. It forms nearly everything we do. How we do it might be 'ageist' but it's about mutual back and forth responsibilities and everyone having a specific role to fulfil. Respect (and eventually comfort the very old) is the opposite side of the coin to protect, nurture (esp the very young) and advise.

When I read someone my age (30s) or older talking flippantly about the younger generation (16-18 yos) in an objectifying manner, I do think 'creep'. I wonder if they have teenage relatives. And if so - how they can talk that way about someone who might be someone's niece/nephew/daughter/son. I hope that person's uncle/dad/aunt/mother stands up to them and that they can't get away with treating teenagers like pieces of meat. No, not everyone over 30 is an old creep (I'm not) but everyone my age and above who thinks it's ok to act that way to someone barely legal is.

I consider this stuff to me the real sort of family values, rather than homophobia & transphobia which gets labelled as 'family values' by bigots.

I hope I didn't sound too harsh on old people. There obviously are some who are wise. I'm just really annoyed by the assumption that old people know than other adults and the way its used in political arguments. When it comes to advice I worry more about an individual's experience and qualifications with the thing in question than their overall age.

Same.
Some older people are dicks.
I'm just not one of them.

Blanket generalisations are the problem.



The term 'youngster' is relative.
To *me*, you are a youngster.

Someone stuffed up the quotes.
I didn't say that.

In theory, I have to disagree with your premise about static modes of behavioural appropriateness.

If George Clooney hit on a 22 year old, I think that woman should consider herself lucky.
But I will add: What is "appropriate" for George may not be appropriate for other older males.

Read my signature.
Perhaps you have.
"Age-appropriate behaviour is an arbitrary NT social construct. "

My context, in that quote, had nothing to do with hitting on people.
It revolved around being treated like a human being, not an "old person" set in the concrete expectations of others.

I am sure I am not the only one who understands the concept I am presenting.

Ageism works both ways.

Yeah that's what makes it different to racism and sexism.

When sexism hurts men, it's toxic masculinity. Like the idea that 'men shouldn't cry'. It's born out of the idea that the person crying is less good/strong than the person who's stoic and men are too strong to cry.

I'm nearly 64. I don't profess to being a learned elder or a dimwitted, cantankerous old fart. There are many people,old and young, with deeper and wider life experiences than I'll ever have. Some will have made good use of them,others not.

Yeah - I agree when it comes to things like fun. How can I not when I like playing with toys still...

In fact, being autistic gives us leeway towards things like toys which sadly a lot of NT adults would be ashamed of playing with into adulthood. In that way, it's a social construct. It's so sad that some adults refuse to play with toys or watch certain shows just because they're grown ups.

It's just about NT adults interacting with NT younger people. Older they get, more life experience they get, more they can manipulate their social skills. Not every one of them, but that's because some of them realise it's inappropriate in a dangerous way to do that so they don't take advantage of naivety.

Being autistic means we'll be pretty much naive our whole lives on a social level compared to our peers. So it's hard to apply the same standards to us. I'm only just leaving home. I think of this stuff (16+ because the law is the law and I honestly don't think kids are that mature even if they say they are) in 'stages not ages'. A person in their mid 20s would be a better match for me than someone in their 30s unless that 32 yo was also autistic & at a similar stage in life.

I think the standards have changed since I was younger. Probably due to the Weinstein stuff, or maybe because of youtubers, there's a lot of fear about parasocial relationships now. Even between same age partners. So it might be better on a moral level for a random guy Clooney's age to approach a 22 yo than it is for George Clooney. Imagine being put in a position where you have to turn down Vera Lynn - of course you'll consent even if you don't want to, otherwise people would laugh at you. People most certainly would not believe your side if you turned her down and she got pushy. (Maybe poor example, I'm trying to think of people who are elderly and I don't find elderly people attractive). Now imagine she can make or break you as an up and coming singer - that's the Weinstein situation in a nutshell except it was acting not singing.

But if an adult has the capacity of a 9 yo in terms of emotional age? They shouldn't be having sleepovers with actual 9 yos. It's not cute. They should be keeping themselves to themselves, should be looked after and should be kept out of danger - so no dating normally developed adults or putting themselves in situations where false accusations can be made.

I think it's a problem that in the US you have to be a certain age well over 18 to be the president and in practice everyone who runs for it is really old or a joke candidate like Kanye. More important to rise through the ranks as a politician.

I don't like my granddad's (hypocritical) ageist stance that old people shouldn't vote though. I think it's really skeptical. He thinks that old people (his age and older so 80+) shouldn't vote because they won't experience the outcomes. Esp on things like Brexit. I think that's nonsense - people will vote with their kids and grandkids in mind if it's a long term thing and his position is mostly borne out of anger towards political opponents.

Oh, and he voted. For our sake.

No DiFFeRenT ReAlly Than 'AC/DC', LuCiFeR/JeSuS,
And 'JaNuS' Two Sides of the Same Coin...

True Some Qualities That Attract
Women Transcend Age And No
i Don't have to Provide Anymore
Evidence to Prove it hehe.... As
ReAlly

THere

isn't

Room For

A TSuNaMi Here Yet

My Honor Is Yet to Be Defeated...

Not Withstanding Appreciation For FLoWeRS in Winter

As It's True in the Spring of my Life Only A Wall Flower Yet to Bloom....

And By God it's

True if my Wife

(ASSiGNeD

ASSiSTaNT

'Angel')

At 50 Were

To Travel

Back to the Future

With Me to A FLoWeRinG

Buzzing Dance Hall She

(Pre-Covid-19 Of Course)

Would

Likely

Receive More Bees

Than i Still Gain Butterfly WingS inDeed....

Yes.. MileAge Varies With Vehicle and Vessel of

Being And What Attracts Women is more than

Skin Deep Anyway

At Least

Women

Of 'Honor And Valor' too..

Rarely Ever Expressed 'Violently'

in a Forced Grinding Rear to Front Dance Less Privately For Show...

For In those Instances No Matter Age it is Pure Fearless Animal

Magnetism indeed...

That's Just

Part of the

Birds and

Bees and Buzzing Flowers too...

Honestly i don't even Need a Body

At All to Proceed Words Will Surely Do Even More to A Free Spirit of Soul...

What i do Requires No Money, Organizational Fame, Or Fortune Just Little old me

And

A Soul

i Bring Free

Other than that

i'm One Year and

One Day Older than

George Clooney and

i'm Still Doing Batman Now

Hehe at Least the Mask i Wear

to Public Store Dance Awarded as a Christmas Present to me

Indeed Sewn By My Sister Marie As Arranged By My Wife True...

They Take Care of All the Money and Other Sewing Duties i just

Wear Peter Pan Wings

And Fly...

Age is

Relative Indeed

My Uncle, my Father's

Identical Twin Brother

Still Dancing With All the Ladies

at 84 While His Wife played Piano At the Dance Hall...

He Died With As Many Keys as a Piano Has 88 THiS Way

Happier than Most

Let's Just

Dance and

SinG IT Dances

And Sings All in 'my Family'...

Some Folks Extend THeir 'Shelf Life'

Some Are Born THiS Way Others Just Figure

This 'S' Out And Fly Free...

Oh by the

Way the 'S'

Stands Up for Hope...

And the L is the Whole SHow...

The F of Course is me 100 Percent Faith in All oF iT NoW...

And 'UsuAlly' i Don't Use Any Black Magic at All Butt YeaH i'M Only Human True...

Sadly Sheldon

Cooper's Show

Was Canceled

Before He Bloomed into 'Buddy Love'..


-Fred

This Doctor Jekyll And

Mister Hyde Routine is

Nothing New and

Of Course

Part of the

Original Inspiration to Create the

Batman Comic Too You Know What

Women of Valor and Honor of All

Ages Love Most Quick Wit And

Humor A Sign a

Dude Will

Always

End up

Smelling Like A Rose FLoWeRS RiSinG

No Matter How Deep the 'Mud Grows'...

in Br'er Rabbit THorn Patches Even Deeper...

to the Very Bottom of hell's bells...

Darkest

Wedding

BellS iNDeed...

Choose the Song The Dance

PaRaDiSE Wings Free or PRiSoN

Chains Lost....

No DiFFeRenT ReAlly Than 'AC/DC',
LuCiFeR/JeSuS, And 'JaNuS' Two Sides of the Same Coin...

Fact is this stuff doesn't work as easily for us as it does NTs.

Makes sense considering autism affects our development...

If someone is NT and doesn't have learning difficulties, they should act their age in terms of certain things. Things like 'don't chase college students' and 'your elders might have good advice, listen when they say college is about studying not about getting drunk'.

I'm not going to trust NT adults who are older than me and hit on teenagers just because severely autistic adults who haven't learned to speak or look after themselves exist and are also vulnerable. If you do trust that first kind of people, maybe you're too naive or maybe you just don't have the past I have in terms of being abused.

That first group is using teenagers for sex. It's really bloody obvious to me. They have nothing in common with them to make a bond from or similar life experience where they can both be naive together and the teens will eventually wise up when they're about 25 and see it for what it was.