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27 Oct 2021, 7:49 pm

My arm pain at the injection site was very minor, indeed.....and I had to push on it in order for it to hurt.



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30 Oct 2021, 10:07 am

I had a really bad flu back in January of 2019.it was seriously the worst illness I had ever had. Probably made worse by the fact that I was still cycling to work in the deep mid winter. I was coughing continuously for about three weeks and sweating to a point that my bed was drenched every morning. I recovered after a few weeks and was glad.

When covid started a year later I was absolutely terrified because the symptoms matched the illness I had had a year before and I really did not want to have to go through that again. It was horrendous.

Anyway in the march of 2020 we all went into lockdown and my daughter started with "the cough". It was relentless for about three weeks and I was so worried but at the time she had no other symptoms. She wasn't ill as such and she didn't have a fever and I didn't (knowingly) catch it off her. She got over it. You couldn't do the tests back then. You was just told to stay at home if you got a cough so we don't know if it was covid or not. We have both been double vaccined now anyway.

Anyway my daughter only bothered to mention to me the other week that when she had "the cough" she also lost her sense of taste and smell. I'm thinking now that she didn't want to worry me. I also wonder if my illness in 2019 even though it probably wasn't covid did arm me with some defenses.

I wonder if other quite similar viruses can give you antibodies.

Hope you feel better soon Isabella.


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30 Oct 2021, 10:30 am

I'm sorry to hear what you and your daughter went through! My mother had something almost identical to Covid in December 2017 and nearly died in hospital. It was a respiratory virus they couldn't name or classify, not pneumonia but similar, and it attacked her organs like Covid does.

My food still tastes nasty. I'll be talking to my doctor on Tuesday to see what she thinks.


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30 Oct 2021, 12:45 pm

It's also possible to have parosmia unrelated to Covid. For example, frontal lobe injury, temporal lobe epilepsy, and even some brain tumors can cause parosmia. OP should probably get a thorough workup if Covid testing is negative or inconclusive.



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30 Oct 2021, 1:40 pm

Thanks for the info. I've suffered two strokes in the past six years so I've had tons of imaging on my head, including EEGs for Epilepsy. I do have irregularities with my temporal lobes on EEG but that was years before this taste issue started.

I'll find out more on Tuesday and post an update.

For now about all I can stomach is McDonald's milkshakes, because they don't contain milk.


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30 Oct 2021, 3:03 pm

babybird wrote:
I wonder if other quite similar viruses can give you antibodies.


Not antibodies but T cell immunity.

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T cells do not prevent infection, because they kick into action only after a virus has infiltrated the body. But they are important for clearing an infection that has already started. In the case of COVID-19, killer T cells could mean the difference between a mild infection and a severe one that requires hospital treatment, says Annika Karlsson, an immunologist at the Karolinska Institute in Stockholm.


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Thank you to Dr Doshi for raising the profile of T-cells. Incidentally, German researchers found that a staggering 81% of individuals had pre-existing T-cells that cross-react with SARS-CoV-2 epitopes. This fits with modelling in May by Imperial College’s Professor Friston, a world authority in mathematical modelling of complex dynamic biological systems, indicating that around 80% and 50% of the German and UK populations, respectively, are resistant to COVID-19

Antibodies can only latch onto and help destroy pathogens outside cells and may also occasionally, paradoxically, enhance a pathogen’s ability to infect cell instead by antibody dependent ”enhancement” or ADE. It is only the T-cell that can cleverly sense and destroy pathogens inside infected cells using “sensors” which detect foreign protein fragments.


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SARS-CoV-2-specific T cell immunity in cases of COVID-19 and SARS, and uninfected controls

Memory T cells induced by previous pathogens can shape susceptibility to, and the clinical severity of, subsequent infections. Little is known about the presence in humans of pre-existing memory T cells that have the potential to recognize severe acute respiratory syndrome coronavirus 2 (SARS-CoV-2). Here we studied T cell responses against the structural (nucleocapsid (N) protein) and non-structural (NSP7 and NSP13 of ORF1) regions of SARS-CoV-2 in individuals convalescing from coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19) (n = 36). In all of these individuals, we found CD4 and CD8 T cells that recognized multiple regions of the N protein. Next, we showed that patients (n = 23) who recovered from SARS (the disease associated with SARS-CoV infection) possess long-lasting memory T cells that are reactive to the N protein of SARS-CoV 17 years after the outbreak of SARS in 2003; these T cells displayed robust cross-reactivity to the N protein of SARS-CoV-2. We also detected SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in individuals with no history of SARS, COVID-19 or contact with individuals who had SARS and/or COVID-19 (n = 37). SARS-CoV-2-specific T cells in uninfected donors exhibited a different pattern of immunodominance, and frequently targeted NSP7 and NSP13 as well as the N protein. Epitope characterization of NSP7-specific T cells showed the recognition of protein fragments that are conserved among animal betacoronaviruses but have low homology to ‘common cold’ human-associated coronaviruses. Thus, infection with betacoronaviruses induces multi-specific and long-lasting T cell immunity against the structural N protein. Understanding how pre-existing N- and ORF1-specific T cells that are present in the general population affect the susceptibility to and pathogenesis of SARS-CoV-2 infection is important for the management of the current COVID-19 pandemic.



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30 Oct 2021, 3:30 pm

Thank you for that.


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