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01 Feb 2022, 3:18 pm

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Having been a homeless person and having done volunteer work with homeless people, I can honestly say there are people living on the streets who brag about dropping out of society "just to spite them" (whoever "they" are), and who also brag about how little work they do to stay alive.

That's some homeless people -- surely not all or even most???

I would also hazard a guess that, for those who do say such things (or at least for most such people), it's because they see their situation as hopeless, and remarks like the above are their way of accepting it. Sour grapes.

My own perspective is not just academic. My boyfriend was homeless for a while, and there are also plenty of other people here on WP, besides you, who have been homeless.

I would hesitate to make any blaning-the-victim generalization about all or most homeless people.

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01 Feb 2022, 4:22 pm

Mona Pereth wrote:

Fnord wrote:

That's some homeless people -- surely not all or even most???

Only some, of course. The rest were either too stoned or too disconnected from reality to express any coherent ideas.

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I would also hazard a guess that, for those who do say such things (or at least for most such people), it's because they see their situation as hopeless, and remarks like the above are their way of accepting it. Sour grapes.

The people who told me this seemed to be in a state of glee, like those who believe they are "Sticking it to the Man" whenever they commit a petty crime.

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My own perspective is not just academic. My boyfriend was homeless for a while, and there are also plenty of other people here on WP, besides you, who have been homeless.

YOUR perspective is both academic and second-hand; your boyfriend's and my perspective are both based on first-hand experiences. So let those of us who have actually "been there" relate our experiences, and you may find your academic 'wisdom' is based more on theory and assumption than on direct and personal experience.

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I would hesitate to make any blaming-the-victim generalization about all or most homeless people.

When people either choose homelessness or willfully refuse to take part in programs that would get them out of homelessness, it is inappropriate to call them 'victims'.

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01 Feb 2022, 4:37 pm

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I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively . . .

Please cite the relevant Bible passages.

You might be surprised at how much "wisdom" people only imagine is in the Bible.

I am not imagining anything.

"Matthew 10:8 - Revised Standard Version - Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay."

There are different people allocated to these historical truths - bible scholars furiously try to pinpoint them to the relevant individual with great care, but since these things were said thousands of years ago in some cases - and many people said the same thing; you can imagine how painfully difficult being laser-accurate, is.

It's like following a trail of clues through the history of time, not exactly a trivial task. One that requires a Christian passion, which includes not being paid for ones work.

Nevertheless, the morality is true, whoever said this.

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01 Feb 2022, 4:40 pm

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blitzkrieg wrote:

I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively . . .

Please cite the relevant Bible passages. You might be surprised at how much "wisdom" people only imagine is in the Bible.

I am not imagining anything.

"Matthew 10:8 - Revised Standard Version - Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." . . .

This passage has nothing to do with 'gloating' or 'preaching excessively'.

Try again.

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01 Feb 2022, 4:44 pm

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively . . .

Please cite the relevant Bible passages. You might be surprised at how much "wisdom" people only imagine is in the Bible.

I am not imagining anything.

"Matthew 10:8 - Revised Standard Version - Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." . . .

This passage has nothing to do with 'gloating' or 'preaching excessively'.

Try again.

I don't have to try again. I know what I am talking about.

Giving without pay, means not being paid with social revenue (i.e, gaining church popularity, as a sole reason for faith).

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01 Feb 2022, 4:46 pm

There are different interpretations - what is your better interpretation then, Fnord?

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01 Feb 2022, 4:50 pm

This is generally what the people I have encountered in my particular geographical location interpret this passage as. I asked a fundamental, African-British Christian and he read it the exact same way as me, and I asked him, pretending I did not know the answer, so he wasn't inclined to agree with me...

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01 Feb 2022, 4:50 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively . . .

Please cite the relevant Bible passages. You might be surprised at how much "wisdom" people only imagine is in the Bible.

I am not imagining anything.

"Matthew 10:8 - Revised Standard Version - Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." . . .

This passage has nothing to do with 'gloating' or 'preaching excessively'. Try again.

I don't have to try again. I know what I am talking about . . .

Apparently not.

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01 Feb 2022, 4:51 pm

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

Fnord wrote:

blitzkrieg wrote:

I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively . . .

Please cite the relevant Bible passages. You might be surprised at how much "wisdom" people only imagine is in the Bible.

I am not imagining anything.

"Matthew 10:8 - Revised Standard Version - Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse lepers, cast out demons. You received without paying, give without pay." . . .

This passage has nothing to do with 'gloating' or 'preaching excessively'. Try again.

I don't have to try again. I know what I am talking about . . .

Apparently not.

Okay - if I do not know what I am talking about - surely you will give a reason for why I and my Christian, African-British friend are wrong and you are right? The guy is an unpaid minister of a local church on the sabbath day.

What is your explanation?

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01 Feb 2022, 4:59 pm

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We are WAY off-topic here, but I will post this in reply.

In Matthew, chapter 10, Jesus is giving instructions to His 12 disciples as to how they should conduct themselves on their first missionary journey.

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5 These twelve Jesus sent out with the following instructions: "Do not go among the Gentiles or enter any town of the Samaritans. 6 Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel. 7 As you go, proclaim this message: ‘The kingdom of heaven has come near.’ 8 Heal the sick, raise the dead, cleanse those who have leprosy, drive out demons. Freely you have received; freely give. 9 "Do not get any gold or silver or copper to take with you in your belts -- 10 no bag for the journey or extra shirt or sandals or a staff, for the worker is worth his keep.

The disciples were to set out without any money, but were to expect payment in whatever form it came as long as they earned it.

I strongly suggest you re-read the entire Gospel of Matthew, the Gospel of Luke, and the Acts of the Apostles as well.

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01 Feb 2022, 5:06 pm

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Fair enough. I shall take your word that this is worth checking out.

Thank you for the info'. *tips hat*

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01 Feb 2022, 5:12 pm

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. . . I shall take your word that this is worth checking out. . .

Do not take MY word for it; for Paul had this to say:

"All Scripture is God-breathed and is useful for instruction, for conviction, for correction, and for training in righteousness, so that the man of God may be complete, fully equipped for every good work." -- 2nd Timothy, Chapter 3, Verses 16 and 17

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01 Feb 2022, 5:16 pm

Fnord wrote:

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blitzkrieg wrote:

. . . I shall take your word that this is worth checking out. . .

I am more than satisfied with your level of bible scholarship - since it exceeds my own. Thank you.

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01 Feb 2022, 11:05 pm

carlos55 wrote:

Most of the time for the long term homeless there is an underlying mental health condition as opposed to capitalism.

Most of what we consider "mental health conditions" are actually just brain traits that make us incompatible with capitalism.

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01 Feb 2022, 11:42 pm

Actually, Religion is 'Right' on Topic, On Whether or Not the Homeless
Stay Homeless or Not For the Support Religions Provide to the Homeless;

And It's Worth Noting That Folks Struggling With Mental Health
Conditions Often Refuse Help That is also Inherent With Certain
Mental Health Conditions That are Very Serious too; So Yeah, Don't

Heavy 'Their
Load' With Opinions
That Are Ignorant
of Psychology too

As Yes, 'Academics' Count
When 'The Homeless Veteran'
Has No Clue to Where The Depths
of the Mind Will Go too in Suffering
For Those Who Have Not Experienced that
Suffering, Homeless or Not, May Have Just As

Much Difficulty Now/Then
Understanding Suffering,

Either From An Armchair
Position Homeless or Under A Roof...

Now Back to the Scriptures, In Some Parts
of the Bible, The Poor And Disadvantaged,

And Just Not Quite As Goody-Two-Shoes As Others

Are Treated Well or Basically Like Gum on Shoes, Depending

On If Ya Read Paul's Happy Love ALL Scriptures or the Ones that

Demand That You Don't Sit Next to The Adulterer at Church, etc...

Or Perhaps, Matthew's Version of Changing Once Loyal Sheep into
Goats Who Don't Clothe and Feed the Poor Homeless Person Burning

Them
(Goats)

Forever
in Torture
for not Being
Goody-Two-Shoes
Enough too; Hmm, So Much
For An All Loving the Enemies Merciful Jesus/So-Called God;

Anyway, of Course, There is the Verse as Reported
Where Jesus Enjoys A Very Expensive Oil Massage,
And the Such, in Lieu of Feeding the Poor, Suggesting

He is More Important to Cherish As the Poor Will always Exist;

Well Good News, By Report of John 14:12, the 'God/Jesus' Leaves
Room For Folks to Improve With Greater Works Than the Old 1.0
Version, And or 2.0 And Such Versions Did Before in the Old and New
Testament 'Matrix' Versions of Jesus/God too; Gosh That is One Helluva

Convoluted Book...

That's Why i Started in
ParT With A Brand New
ReVision So Much More
Improved With A Real God
Breathing Within All of Us in
Potential at Least, Naked, Enough,
Whole, Complete With Enough Cognitive

Empathy to Understand Folks Actually Experience
The World Almost Totally Different Than Us And Need Greater
'John 14:12 Efforts' From Us to Serve Them Well as Real FRiEnDS

And Not Just

Folks We
See as

Less than

Us to CR8P

ON; True, a
Little bit of
Love without
So Much Judgement
Goes Along Way Now For

Remedying the Problems
of Empathy and Compassion

For the Less Fortunate Among
US, in So Many Ways That May Be So Difficult
For Folks Who Are Callous And Not Compassionate to Understand...

What The World Needs More is "Love Sweet Love;" How 'the Beatles'

Did John 14:12 too....

John 14:12
King James Version:

"12 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that believeth on me, the works that I do shall
he do also; and greater works than these shall he do;

because I go unto

my Father."

Have A Nice
Day Yet to Be
Clear i am Not
Telling Anyone What
to Do; Now, Just A Court
Jester Reporter As Such, Hehe..

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02 Feb 2022, 2:39 am

blitzkrieg wrote:

I remember reading a part about not gloating about ones faith or preaching excessively.

Ecclesiastes 7:15. In this meaningless life of mine I have seen both these: a righteous man perishing in his righteousness, and a wicked man living long in his wickedness. 16. Do not be over-righteous, nor be over-wise ~ why destroy yourself? possibly?

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