Did the person(s) who wrote the Bible have schizophrenia?

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16 Feb 2022, 5:10 pm

The bible was written over about 1,700 years according to many sources, from the year 1,600 B.C through until 100 A.D and it basically captures every kind of human dilemma imaginable, from a moral perspective, in its writings.

The best thing about the bible is that each teaching can be interpreted in multiple ways, from hundreds of different angles if you are intelligent enough to comprehend such things.

And these moral dilemmas can be applied to any chronological age that humans live in - to people/individuals who live as humans... perhaps less so for cyborgs of the future and so on.

The bible was also written by many people, like, a massive group of writers, on a historical timeline. People would die and then others would find their writings like treasure and carry the work on. :heart:


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16 Feb 2022, 5:27 pm

theprisoner wrote:
I admire Bruce lee. Martial artist, amateur philosopher, yet very westernized.
His doctor said he had body of 18year old in months before his death.
Maybe stress was a factor. Maybe he was under pressure.
But he might have been murdered, or might have been a fluke, I don't know.
One of those freak accidents, like athletes with hidden heart defects, who suddenly die.
He did say he was an athiest, I think. Also might have been a Buddhist in his beliefs.
He certainly made an impact on the world.
Damn I'm 33. Same age as Bruce Lee.
I hope when I'm 53 , I'm wiser, smarter, maybe even healthier (future technology) and better off than now.




Luke 17:21, From the New Testament, Old Bible Version,

Now Still, Per the Metaphor of the 'Kingdom of 'God'
Or 'Heaven' is Within Only Now, IS Surely "Buddhist

And Taoist"

And

'Satorian'

In Essence With
so Many Similar
Cross Cultural Metaphors
As Well; Yes, A Real God And Real
Heaven Within As Real as Real Gets indeed

And as Even Science Shows Now A Contemplative
Meditative WaY in Flow is A Real Fountain of Youth
That Even Restores Gray Matter in Our Brains And of

Course it Stands to Reason And Rhyme of Intuition,

Without Even Any Rhyme that it Impacts Us For Real

The Same From Head to Toe
For Real Yet that is Just By Way
of Study of A Regular Small Practice
of Flowing Meditation in Autotelic Ways

of Balance
And FRiEnDS

With Gravity hehe,

Wonder What Will Happen
if Someone Does it Always
Now From Wake to Sleep;

Will Let Everyone KNoW
the Effective Results

Verily Soon
And

Much
Sooner too HAha...
There is Some Speculation
That Bruce Lee Died From Complications
From Epilepsy; Blows to the Head in His Martial
Art Career, Surely No Help, Like Boxing and NFL

Super
Dum Still

To Endure
Trauma
That is Not Necessary,
Either By Others or

Self-Inflicted Of

Course, Failing

to Find the Grace of
Balance too as FRiEnDS
With Gravity Where No

Traumatic

Injuries

Are Required

For 'The Real
Meek' To Inherit
the EartH For As
Long As Possible
Eternally Now With SMiLes...

Too Bad, THere Aren't Many More
Verses Than Luke 17:21 In That Old Tiny
800,000 Word Or So Old King James Try,
Corroborated And Affirmed, By So Many other
Cultural Traditions Globally and Historically Now Real...

Anyway, Ascending Transcending Meditation, Bringing Balance in Contemplative Flow
This Way, Reducing Negative Stress, is Surely No Woo, And Worth TaKinG Advantage of Now

in

Every
Way As
Science Shows,
Even Small Stints
of Regular Meditation
in Flow, Increases Creativity
And Productivity By Five-Fold or So too;

And If it is Done More, Likely MUCH MORE, hehe;

Indeed, Master All the Available Tools, Not Being

Mastered
By Tools,

or Becoming
The Tools, Leaving
Essence of Heaven
Within For Real Behind;

Yep, As 'They' 'Dance Sing,' Or 'Walk And Say,' Literally "Left Behind;"
Haha, Metaphor For Right Hemisphere Ways of Being or Not, True too

in
Process
of Greater
Human Potentials,
Realized More FullY in
One Lifetime Now For Real..:)



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16 Feb 2022, 5:49 pm

thinkinginpictures wrote:
The Bible wasn't written by Schizophrenics - by any chance.

Only very few people could read in ancient times, let alone write.
We're talking about less than 2 % of the total population.

Those who could read/write were very talented, skilled and very educated.


Remember that most of what ended up in Bible are mythos which were passed verbally for a long time before someone wrote them down. So it is possible that there were at least some Schizophrenics among people who influenced these mythos. Also, your reasoning assumes that neurological disease cannot develop later in life and/or must impair cognitive ability, preventing a person from acquiring education (not to mention from being talented and skilled). This is simply not true statement.

In my case, epilepsy has developed later in life (first symptoms started surfacing when I was 27) and it is lateral temporal lobe epilepsy with partial/focal seizures. I have went through school and studies just fine, also managed to lead an okay career before it developed. It took six years for me to get properly diagnosed, because my MRI scans and EEG readouts were fine, plus I had a history of migraines and doctors have thought that what I experience are just auras. All this time, LTLE was tearing through my brain and it came to a really bad stage, where I had these seizures several times a week. I've experienced some wacky/crazy/scary stuff which I can easily imagine someone taking as religious experience. Things like:

-Feeling of pleasant taste in mouth, but unlike anything other taste I've ever experienced. It felt "off" but so good at the same time. I cannot name it, it really doesn't compare to anything I've eaten or drink my whole life.

-Feeling that I must hold on tightly to reality, like it costs me a lot of effort to stay here and now and if I'll "let go" the world will just fall apart to nothingness.

-Looking at similar objects, people, animals and knowing fully what/who they were, but had this unnerving feeling that they shouldn't really exist and are of wrong kind. Quite often I couldn't shake off the feeling that a person I am speaking with is not really alive, but something in between an inanimated object and a corpse someone made a puppet of.

-Memories being recalled at random and blending in current events in a way which felt like I'm experiencing both of "timelines" simultaneously, but none of them in full. Sometimes the effect was a bit different and images or sounds (including speech) were surfacing for a very brief moment, but enough for me to notice them. I've quite often thought that someone is talking to me, even answered questions which weren't asked, but recalled from my memory by malfunctioning brain and kind of "injected" into experience of current events.

-Feeling that I am so damn close to understand the nature of reality down to the fundamental level, but somehow cannot reach it. Sometimes I randomly felt strong emotions, usually sorrow and felt like I am on the edge of epiphany.

-Having a multi-level deja vu feeling - that I've already experienced a deja vu about a situation I was in. Quite often this has been accompanied with feeling that there's something very important I must do to change path of following events, but just cannot remember what it is.

-Having a feeling that I am stuck in infinite loop of reliving the same situation over and over - like time is cyclical and I've been here and now infinite number of times, with events always unfolding in the same way.

-A sensation of "veil" being placed between me and real world.

-Looking at someone's face and not being able to make any sense of it. Like all facial characteristics were blending into one or being dynamically erased when I focus on one of them i.e. when looking at nose it looked weird, but rest of the face has been reduced to something like a glowing blur.

-"Time jumps" when I've been doing things normally, but they weren't recorded in my memory. Sometimes I was in bathroom, taking shower, then "regaining consciousness" (well, it really wasn't it, I was conscious whole time, just had memory malfunction) in my kitchen, while holding a cup of tea in hand. Over an hour has passed, I've even did some work (I am a copywriter) in the meantime, but there was no trace of it in my head.

-Feeling that I am very big or small in relation to environment.

In addition to that, I've been freezing for 20-30 seconds in place then continuing as normal or moving my mouth and even speaking some gibberish which could easily serve as vocals for grindcore song (my wife has once recorded it). These events I had no personal knowledge of, as my mind was absent at these times.

I can easily imagine how a person who was well educated, but also religious and with absolutely zero understanding what neurological diseases are (because no one knew anything about them back then), would think that they've been "touched by a hand of god(s)" when at some point in life they've started experiencing the same stuff which I did, at random.

Of course, this doesn't have anything to do with spirituality, it's just neurons firing uncontrollably. And it went away after I've started to take lamotrigine.

I also have been experiencing visual snow my whole life (but it wasn't until my early 20's that I've learned that nope, the way I see is not normal) and in addition to "film grain" my hyperactive visual cortex produces a minor effect of after-images which give contrasting objects something like a subtle halo. I believe this is what new-age nutjobs who think that they see "energy auras" of people, animals and objects are talking about.



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17 Feb 2022, 2:56 am

funeralxempire wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
It's so sad to see an aspie forum stooping so low as to talk about "magic mushrooms" in relation to who wrote the Bible.

- Instead of talking about the linguistic and ancient history of the origins of the Bible.
Instead of talking about The Documentary Hypothesis/ancient history and dive deep into the subject (something which aspies should be good at), you're discussing magic mushrooms and schizophrenic causes, which has no reality to the origins of the Bible what-so-ever.


Do you have any basis on which to make this claim besides moral outrage? Is it really unthinkable or just merely offensive?


What claim is being made? The only things which I see the text supporting are a statement of feeling and a statement of what intellectual activity is desired.


The claim appears to be that it's not possible that psychedelics or delusional disorders could have played a role in shaping portions of the biblical narrative. I'd say it's impossible to dismiss them as potentially in play even if it would also be impossible to substantiate a positive claim that they certainly were involved.


You have to understand ancient litterature and their ways of writing, to understand how the Bible came to be and why it included surreal stuff.

I'm neither a Jew nor a Christian. I have nothing at stake concerning the origins of the Bible, but I do have a long time interest in the origins of the Bible and I've self-studied ancient history - though I'm pretty sure real Biblical scholars and experts in ancient history would agree with me when I say the stories in the Bible were not made on "magic mushrooms" but are ancient ways or conveying a message, ancient ways of expressing histories.

Read my first post on the second page of this thread.

An example are the parables of Jesus, which seem to make no sense at all to modern readers.
But to ancient people it made a lot of sense, because the various animals and other symbols had other meanings in ancient times.

You have to consider - that's how the written language itself evolved in the ancient middle east. From pictures representing what you're trying to say (like a picture of wheat representing wheat, and barley representing barley), to pictures and symbols representing something else entirely (study some Cuneiform writing, you'll see for yourself).

An example is the sign for barley "she". But "she-er-ku" means fig cakes - now you have symbols representing something else entirely. That's how they used to express stories in ancient times, and allegories, metaphors etc. developed.

http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/writing/story/page06.html



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17 Feb 2022, 6:44 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
kitesandtrainsandcats wrote:
funeralxempire wrote:
thinkinginpictures wrote:
It's so sad to see an aspie forum stooping so low as to talk about "magic mushrooms" in relation to who wrote the Bible.

- Instead of talking about the linguistic and ancient history of the origins of the Bible.
Instead of talking about The Documentary Hypothesis/ancient history and dive deep into the subject (something which aspies should be good at), you're discussing magic mushrooms and schizophrenic causes, which has no reality to the origins of the Bible what-so-ever.


Do you have any basis on which to make this claim besides moral outrage? Is it really unthinkable or just merely offensive?


What claim is being made? The only things which I see the text supporting are a statement of feeling and a statement of what intellectual activity is desired.


The claim appears to be that it's not possible that psychedelics or delusional disorders could have played a role in shaping portions of the biblical narrative. I'd say it's impossible to dismiss them as potentially in play even if it would also be impossible to substantiate a positive claim that they certainly were involved.


You have to understand ancient litterature and their ways of writing, to understand how the Bible came to be and why it included surreal stuff.

I'm neither a Jew nor a Christian. I have nothing at stake concerning the origins of the Bible, but I do have a long time interest in the origins of the Bible and I've self-studied ancient history - though I'm pretty sure real Biblical scholars and experts in ancient history would agree with me when I say the stories in the Bible were not made on "magic mushrooms" but are ancient ways or conveying a message, ancient ways of expressing histories.

Read my first post on the second page of this thread.

An example are the parables of Jesus, which seem to make no sense at all to modern readers.
But to ancient people it made a lot of sense, because the various animals and other symbols had other meanings in ancient times.

You have to consider - that's how the written language itself evolved in the ancient middle east. From pictures representing what you're trying to say (like a picture of wheat representing wheat, and barley representing barley), to pictures and symbols representing something else entirely (study some Cuneiform writing, you'll see for yourself).

An example is the sign for barley "she". But "she-er-ku" means fig cakes - now you have symbols representing something else entirely. That's how they used to express stories in ancient times, and allegories, metaphors etc. developed.

http://www.mesopotamia.co.uk/writing/story/page06.html


Yes, every cultural reference and way of thinking in the bible is rooted in a completely different socio-cultural experience, compared to that of the people & the time we live in, hence why modern folk arrogantly declare it as nonsense or fairy tale, when they have become a part of the current day 'system' (all of it based on money, not morality).


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17 Feb 2022, 11:31 am



Two Words:

Story Rules;

Indeed, A Best
Lesson That May
Be Derived From Both
The Muslim Quran and
The Christian Bible Is Story Rules;

And When Story is Steeped Deep in
Metaphor and Mystery, Subjectively Speaking
And Interpreting it; Those In Charge, in Whatever

Authority They Have to Subjugate And Control Others

Will Use Those Stories to Do Just That to Rise And Stay In Power...

On The Other Hand,

Others Will Write Their
Own Stories too, Escaping
The Bonds and Binds of What

Came And Still Comes Before in
So Many Ways, And Those Who Write
Their Own Stories, Dance And Sing them
Free in Play, Slaying Fear In an Environment one Survives
And Thrives in NoW For Real, Will Experience A Measure

of Real
Bliss and
Nirvana
Inhaling
Peace
Exhaling
LoVE iN JoY oF LiGHT NoW
Giving, Sharing, Caring,
Healing For All With Least

Harm; BeLieve, BeLeaf
BeLove Living Trees
Real Forest Whole
Green or Brown
Leaves Feeding

Spring Green
Birth For Real

Rarely

Ever Experienced
By Little Furry Creatures
on this Planet Earth Now Today...

Separation of Church And State,
Provides the Ability For Humans to
Write Their Own Stories, Dance and Sing Them Freely;

Perhaps, Not Everyone 'Sees and Hears' the Dance And Song;

Never the Less, THE REAL PART, THE SUBJECTIVE EXPERIENCE

OF THE INDIVIDUAL EXPERIENCING THE REAL BLISS AND NIRVANA
THEY CO-CREATE IN THIS LIFE IS THE MOST REAL PART OF LIFE OF ALL;

WHAT WE
EXPERIENCE
WITHIN DAY

TO DAY

ETERNALLY
NOW FOR REAL...

AND NO ONE MAY TAKE
THAT AWAY FROM THE
TRULY FREE INDIVIDUAL NOW...

AT LEAST NOT IN A COUNTRY STILL
FREE AS THE UNITED STATES FOR FOLKS
WHO TAKE FULL ADVANTAGE OF THE GIFTS
STILL PROVIDED BY THE FOUNDING MOTHERS AND OR FATHERS REAL.

It's the Folks Who Edited 'The Old Bible'; Those Who Were in Control, Looking
To Stay in Control, Who Effectively Decided What Would End Up in that Bible.

A Sure Sign that the 'Trump Trope' made Those 'Final Decisions' is the Rule of
Carrots and Sticks; You Stay in The Group or You Die 'Road Runner'; Not only Do

You Die, if you
Go Against the
Group Think Now

You Burn For Eternity

At the Hand of 'the Trump'

Who Assured You, He Loved

You And You Are Dear to Him,

After You Just Tried to Overthrow

A Representative Democracy; 'Same

Old God' Doing His Best to Stay in Charge;

People Who Master the All in All, Already Have
it All; The Part Within, The Heaven For Real; They

Surely Have

No Need

For Anything
Any one else
Has And Surely

Have no Need to
Bring Anyone Down,

When They've Already
Mastered the Valley and
Mountain Top as the Same Height...

No WHere To Fall, No WHere to Rise Yet Now...

It's Easy to See, So-Called "False Prophets,"

They Always Insist They Rise Above Others;

At Least Some Dam Author or Editor Slipped in the
John 14:12 Clause, WHere the Teacher's Greatest Hope

Is the Student

Who Accomplishes
More Than the Mentor;

It's Like Parents, Some Set
Their Children With Wings to
Fly Higher; Others Set Anchors around their Neck
With the Children Always Falling ACross the Lifespan;

Similar to Folks Who Look Forward to Life After A Dirt Nap...

Biggest Lie Ever Told in Carrot And Stick Way to Control And Subjugate
Others; If 'You' Can't See 'the Demagogue' in the Story, You Might Just Miss

Who 'Trump'

Is too and

Even Come to
Worship 'Him'; YEP,

Flying Flags of the
Old Leader 'Jesus'
on Banners

Near Gallows
With Chants
of Hang the
New Messiah's
Vice Pope Who
Didn't Keep the New Pope in Control....

See How this works, the Actors Change, The 'Character' Remains the same...

It's the Human Condition; Either Fall With Old Stories or Write, Dance, And Sing Your
Own Stories in

Balance...

Valley High
Mountain Low...

Story Rules...
Rule YouR Own
Story And Free YOurself For Real...

OR Stick With the Old Stories; It's An Easiest Way to Fall...

And Never
Really Get
'Up' in this Life

To Actually Dance
Sing Free Eternally Now
In All the Metaphors That
Dance And Song Wears Free

Naked, Enough, Whole, Complete.



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17 Feb 2022, 11:42 am

thinkinginpictures wrote:
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I've read your posts. Nothing you've said is concrete evidence that not a single contributor to the bible could have possibly consumed psychedelics or been influenced by a delusional disorder. You've provided viable alternative explanations but nothing suggests it can only be a matter of either/or and can't possibly involve both.

Claiming it's been ruled out when it most certainly has not is overstating your case.


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17 Feb 2022, 2:17 pm



SMiLes, Using "External Substances"
to Enhance the Flow of iMaGiNaTioN

Springing Creativity is Surely Nothing

New and Verily 'Heir' Apparent Still; Particularly,
in the Music of the 60's and the 70's As 'the Psychedelic'

Chemically Orchestrated Experience Came to Notes of Music

For Us Folks Who Don't 'Imbibe' to At Least Partially Experience
Through the Feelings, Senses, And Emotions New That Music

Does Co-Create For
Humans to Freely
Partake in the
Art Expressing

The Experiences
of Higher Levels
of Consciousness;
Either Influenced By
Activities Like Ecstatic
Meditative Free Dance

Or External Substances, WHere
Some Folks Need Neither That or
An Ecstatic Free Dance to Ascend
And Transcend our More Literal States

of Consuming and Perceiving Reality Now...

i Find the Old Bible, Not Unlike the Quran As
A Book Reflecting Mostly Horrible Tribal Strife,

Living in Areas of Scarcity of the World Barely Getting

By Whereas the Native Indians Living in An Area More of Abundance
in North America Then With Forests And Creeks Teeming With Plenty

of Fish to Eat in Fresh Water, Still Fresh Enough to Drink,
Made That World Now Then

A More Pleasant

Experience
to actually

Exist Where a Communion
With Nature Already Here
IS to Fuse With Naked,
Enough, Whole

Complete,

Meanwhile in Deserts
Men Became So-Called God's

As They Were Simply The Highest
Part of Reality on the Horizon; Meanwhile,

Other Folks in the World Communed With
Green Mountains Full Of Life in Balance of Nature Real...

Environment, Plays a Huge Part of God's That Are Kind or Monsters...

Yet of Course, While the Psychedelic Experience May Be Related in Music
of the 60's and 70's and Beyond For Humans to Co-Experience in Similar Ways....

A Tribal Scarcity

May Be Related

In Old Books

From Deserts

Where God's
Change From
Love to Monsters...

Science Shows Mood Disorders
And Propensities of Spectrums
Like the Bi-Polar Spectrum Are

Heavily Correlated With Creativity

As True the "Brain Juice" to Do it is Higher
in Levels; And Yes There Are Those on that Spectrum

Who Balance Their Lives, Yin and Yang that Way in an Everlasting

Twilight Where

Dark Meets
LiGHT, NoW

Yes, in Balance,

Perhaps to Others it
Seems Like A Dance on
A Tight Rope Higher Always;

Perhaps to Those Who Experience
Life this way it IS; Yet Effortless in Ease for Real too...

At least
in my Experience
As i Don't Require
Any External Substances
Yet the Balance of Creativity i Co-Create Within
Which Does Include Ecstatic Meditative Free Dance in Autotelic Flow
And Song; Yes, Most Every Minute of the WaKinG Day in Free Creativity...

THere is Also

A Science to
The Art that Does
Require Both Reason and Art
to Exist Peacefully in One Human Being too...

And Both That Science And Art May Be Described

Best in the Overall Law of Existence For All; Yes, Balance

And Yes,
FRiEnDS

With Gravity,

Lest Planets and
Minds Fall Out
of Orbit

With Stars
Above, So Below...

Honestly, if There WaS A Way
to Give one Teaspoon of the Way
i Experience Life to Someone As Low
on the Spectrum of Human Experience
As Trump, He'd Give Away His Money,
His So-Called Status and Power, Faster

Than the

Speed oF LiGHT: Love;

Yes, Naked, Enough, Whole Complete...

Who Would 'Trump' Be Standing Naked
in Front of the World; Really, Who Would
He Be, And to Be Clear, Just Using an Example

of 'Someone'
We All KNoW...



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17 Feb 2022, 8:24 pm

It wasnt mushrooms, OR schizophrenia.

It was....space aliens! :D



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23 Feb 2022, 7:40 pm

naturalplastic wrote:
It wasnt mushrooms, OR schizophrenia.

It was....space aliens! :D


I think there is a good chance that the bible was written by Autistic religious nerds, along the timeline of history.


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