South Africa files genocide case against Israel at Internati
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For that reason I labeled the article's descripton of the situation "biased", and not "some delusional nonsense".
Fair enough.
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If it's not aligned with the hasbara it's "propaganda against Israel", even when it's documented facts.
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Plenty of evidence available for all to see. These aren't just run of the mill war crimes; this is a full on attempted genocide. Impossible to deny that.
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Israel rejects genocide charges, tells World Court it must defend itself
It called on judges to dismiss South Africa's request to halt its offensive, saying to do so would leave it defenceless.
The Israeli foreign ministry's legal adviser, Tal Becker, told the court that South Africa's interpretation of events was "grossly distorted".
"If there were acts of genocide, they have been perpetrated against Israel," he said. "Hamas seeks genocide against Israel."
"The appalling suffering of civilians, both Israeli and Palestinian, is first and foremost the result of Hamas' strategy," Becker said, saying that Israel had a right to defend itself.
Hamas denies Israeli allegations that its militants hide among civilians, who account for most of the casualties in Gaza.
"Israel is in a war of defence against Hamas, not against the Palestinian people," Becker said. "The key component of genocide, the intent to destroy a people in whole or in part, is totally lacking."
'GENOCIDE'
Israel argued that this meant the court has no jurisdiction under the Genocide Convention to order it to halt its military actions in Gaza.
"This is no genocide, South Africa tells us only half the story," lawyer Malcolm Shaw said.
Palestinian backers with flags marched through The Hague and watched proceedings on a giant screen in front of the Peace Palace. As the Israeli delegation spoke in court, they chanted: "Liar! Liar!"
Asked what she thought of Israel's arguments that the Gaza campaign was a matter of self-defence, Neen Haijjawi, a Palestinian who recently came to Netherlands said: "How can an occupier that's been oppressing people for 75 years say it's self-defence?"
Israeli supporters were holding a separate gathering of family members of hostages taken by Hamas.
Israel has said South Africa was acting as a mouthpiece for Islamist Hamas, which is designated as a terrorist group by the United States, the European Union, Britain and several other nations. South Africa has rejected that accusation.
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Yesterday the lawyers representing South Africa focused mainly on the facts. Today Israel's representatives focus a lot on rhetorics. The general public is often very susceptible to that kind of tricks - blowing smoke, whataboutism and reframing the context, but I doubt it works on these highly qualified judges. If you cut to the core of the matter I don't think Israel's lawyers put up much of a defence.
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Israel's lawyers also provided it's own facts and I'm not sure which incidences of whataboutism that you're talking about. They claimed that they are trying to facilitate aid into Gaza, though I don't think that it's enough as the humanitarian aid organisations say that there's still a looming famine. I hope that the court will take that into account and still ask for provisional measures though.
Israel's lawyers also provided it's own facts and I'm not sure which incidences of whataboutism that you're talking about.
I was talking about Israel's lawyers using rhetorics. When I gave examples of tricks that general public often is susceptible to I didn't say exactly these particúlar tricks were used in the courtroom. Tricks that were used were talking at lenght about the Holocaust and the relation between South Africa and Hamas. Things that have no relevance to the Genocide Case.
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"In view of Germany's history and the crime against humanity of the Shoah, the Federal Government sees itself as particularly committed to the Convention against Genocide. This convention is a central instrument of international law to implement "never again."
It condemned the genocide claim as "political instrumentalization."
’The accusation has no basis in fact'
Hebestreit's statement argued that Israel has been defending itself against Hamas since the October 7 attacks, contending that Hamas' goal is to wipe out Israel.
"The German government decisively and expressly rejects the accusation of genocide brought against Israel before the International Court of Justice," Hebestreit said.
"The accusation has no basis in fact," he said.
Germany plans to intervene as a third party before the ICJ, allowing states to seek clarification on the use of a multilateral convention. Germany will be allowed to present its own case disputing South Africa's allegation of genocide against Israel, according to reports.
Israel's Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu thanked German Chancellor Olaf Scholz for Berlin's decision to intervene in the case, the Times of Israel reports.
Germany has been steadfast in its commitment to Israel, the Times of Israel reports. Scholz was the first Western leader to visit Israel after October 7 and said that Germany has only "one place" during Israeli hardship, "and that is alongside Israel."
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The ICJ ruling on provisional measures is expected on Friday. Let's watch out for that:
https://www.theguardian.com/world/2024/jan/24/icj-to-deliver-interim-ruling-on-genocide-case-against-israel-on-friday
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The court's president Joan E. Donoghue said Friday in the court at The Hague, Netherlands, that, based on its initial assessment of Israel's actions and remarks from Israeli leaders, it would not accept Israel's request to dismiss the case brought by South Africa. The court did not order an immediate cease-fire, but it did order Israel to take all measures to prevent genocide in Gaza and preserve any evidence of the crime.
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"Finally, the court ordered Israel to submit a report to it 'on all measures taken to give effect to this order" within a month'."
I think this puts Israel in a corner. If they submit a report they admit the court's jurisdiction to tell them what to do. And if the measures described in the report fail to meet the court's standard it will be very hard for Israel to then question the court's demand on them to do better. If Israel on the other hand is defiant, doesn't submit a report and ignore the court's ruling it would seriously damage Israel's international standing.
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I think this puts Israel in a corner. If they submit a report they admit the court's jurisdiction to tell them what to do. And if the measures described in the report fail to meet the court's standard it will be very hard for Israel to then question the court's demand on them to do better. If Israel on the other hand is defiant, doesn't submit a report and ignore the court's ruling it would seriously damage Israel's international standing.
Most of the provisions ordered by the court are things that Israel claims that they're already doing. So, if they're telling the truth, then that report should be easy for them, if they're not telling the truth then ...
Well, we'll see.
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