We're taking in White Afrikaner refugees now

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14 May 2025, 5:19 pm

Not very flattering
https://newrepublic.com/post/195178/don ... -plan-dumb

We have a lot of Afrikaners in Australia (mostly West Australia and Queensland) and they bring a lot of not so great values.
https://www.thebulwark.com/p/an-afrikan ... tent=share

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14 May 2025, 7:34 pm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pck18CEbFs8

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15 May 2025, 1:26 am

Honey69 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Pck18CEbFs8

Much like the klan, wearing all white...just in case people don't know how to identify them :lol:

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15 May 2025, 1:43 am

Why do they all look so grim with the special treatment they are getting? Oh yeah because they're probably racists and racists are always pissed off. I just feel kind of bad for those kids who are also getting brainwashed by their parents to become awful people.

Sure, probably not every white person in Africa is racist, but what sort of white people from there would you figure trump would favor...probably the racist ones. LIke what are they refugees from I dare ask...the existence of people without white skin?

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15 May 2025, 3:07 am

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Sure, probably not every white person in Africa is racist, but what sort of white people from there would you figure trump would favor...probably the racist ones. LIke what are they refugees from I dare ask...the existence of people without white skin?

South Africa is generally unsafe so while I don't judge why people want to leave, it's dangerous for everyone. But if you listen to trump's people, they are using the analogy that Afrikaners are "good seeds" who have best chance of germinating in white America. Both the language and selectiveness of picking this group seems somewhat akin to something Goebbels/Himmler might have done when they selected the blondest Poles to be Germanified.

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15 May 2025, 10:30 am

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It turns out that you can't take farmland that's being productively and hand it over to people that have no knowledge or intention related to farming and expect it to work out when it's such a large portion of your economy. I do get that there needed to be reallocation of the land to better represent the people eventually, but it turned out worse than if they had just instituted a tax to pay a UBI to those who didn't have property or the opportunity to buy it in the country due to colonial rule.

Yeah this seems to be a major factor. Wine growing for example. there is a culture and tradition behind wine growing and brewing beer. It was quite silly to force both these lucrative industries to be "black owned" when traditional African societies have no connection to the this type of business which is more artform > factory assemblyline.

But more importantly (as trevor Noah points out in his comedy) the ANC have appointed nepo-babies into positions of power over things like electrical power. I cannot believe how wanton rorting by Jacob Zuma on a level with the Duvaliers of Haiti is taking place on the ANCs watch and quite clearly nobody is saying anything as they don't want to lose their jobs.

The lack of connection is bad enough, but the lack of any sort of interest in learning was probably the bigger issue. Somebody has to run the businesses and do the work if you want any sort of economic activity to be happening and if you take productive land and hand it to people that are just going to live on it, you need to find some way of replacing that economic output.

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15 May 2025, 5:03 pm

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the lack of any sort of interest in learning was probably the bigger issue. Somebody has to run the businesses and do the work if you want any sort of economic activity to be happening and if you take productive land and hand it to people that are just going to live on it, you need to find some way of replacing that economic output.

I think this happened in Kenya and Zimbabwe as well. Land appropriation resulting in economic collapse. In South east Asia the nationalisation of business from the hands of the Chinese was attempted in both Malaysia and Indonesia in the 1950s and 60s but eventually British educated local leadership was appointed that understood that for these countries to be integrated into the international economy, the Chinese need to be left alone to manage the business sector.

While Indonesia is still lagging, the Malaysian economy has surged and while both countries do have oil and gas, the Chinese were left alone. Meanwhile African countries have lagged behind everyone. South Africa is miles ahead as the wealthiest nation. It's a shame that the ANC is going down the route taken by Mugabe and others in Africa.

I don't dispute the British rigged the situation in South Africa, especially keeping hold of 75% of the land in white owned hands. the problem was the black population was already in a state of being a servant class and for those whom education offers a way out, it seems the entrepreneurial class are either exiting the country or making deals with ANC mafia.

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15 May 2025, 8:17 pm

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15 May 2025, 11:21 pm

Honey69 wrote:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzvTfusnt6s

to any South Africans on this forum, is it true the farmer in the interview will lose his farm, cars, 5 bedroom house? does ownership cease once you leave the country? I assume the SA government will revoke his citizenship?

Also did I hear correctly he left his mother in the house all alone

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16 May 2025, 4:59 am

cyberdora wrote:

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzvTfusnt6s

There's a section of the South African citizen act from 1996 that says that you could lose your South African citizenship if you gained citizenship of another country without getting permission to have dual citizenship first. However, at the same time this "refugee" issue has been in the news, another story in the news recently is that this provision was declared unconstitutional in the past week or so by the Constitutional Court and thus struck down. So no, they probably won't lose their South African citizenship and neither will they automatically lose their property. The land expropriation bill that has recently been signed into law does not allow the government to simply confiscate any land they want to, the "without compensation" clause only applies to properties which have been abandoned and in fact was modelled after similar laws in the US.

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16 May 2025, 8:20 am

I wonder how they are going to get along with their new neighbors.
They seem to be city dwellers, not farmers. US cities are likely to be too multicultural.
Des Moines, the big city in Iowa, is 67% non-Hispanic white.
There are tiny towns like Central City that are nearly all white, but they are too tiny to support many immigrants.
It is tough to live in most USA small towns unless you grew up there.

I have a lot of Italian friends. They all shared stories about racial discrimination in Connecticut when they grew up! Most likely they will stick out like sore thumbs the moment they try to speak in "English."

Yet another photo opportunity that is unlikely to work out in the long term.

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16 May 2025, 7:00 pm

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It's weird because I doubt we ever consider these things with other refugee groups. It's worth noting some Ukrainian refugees made some drama about being housed in apartments with Haitian refugees. when asked the usual stereotypes were used.

My guess is these people will be most comfortable in rural towns in north mid-west founded by German-Dutch settlers. Oh well, wherever they end up, they will all but forgotten and their kids will be "all American" like the millions of other Americans with Dutch-German surnames.

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16 May 2025, 10:53 pm

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The US has considered those things when it comes to these sorts of immigration programs. Around here we have a ton of Somalis due to the city having been chosen as a host for the ones coming over here as part of the humanitarian asylum program. It is a very white part of the country, but it's also a part of the country with a fair amount of experience with immigrants that had largely worked through those sorts of issues.

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17 May 2025, 9:29 am

Here is another perspective. He made me chuckle when he mispronounced "Afrikaner" is the first few seconds.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2wzC9DOyCrw

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17 May 2025, 2:12 pm

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