Which Candidate In The US Presidental Race Do You Support?

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BazzaMcKenzie
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17 Sep 2007, 3:24 am

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... and Howard's conservatives are not getting my vote. ...

.... John Howard however is a conservative.....

Just to correct the record ...

John Howard is NOT a conservative. He may be "right wing" but he is a centralist who wants to strip the States of the constitutional roles and he himself has no regard for the constitution. Radical unconstitutional change is not conservative. :evil:

Oh, and for the US candidate, if I could vote in the US, I would support the Giant Douche :D



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17 Sep 2007, 3:28 am

WHICH one? :P



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17 Sep 2007, 3:31 am

If there happens to be an independent Centrist (or anything else that sounds good) on the Oregon ballot, I'm going to vote for them.
Otherwise it's a quandry for me. The Dems on one hand I agree with more in their Economic policies, but they don't want to do anything about illegal immigration (pretty much my main issue). Vice versa with the Repubs.
I will not, under any cirumstance, vote for Hillary, Obama, Romney or Thompson.



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17 Sep 2007, 3:52 am

Guiliani is a nazi.



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17 Sep 2007, 6:48 am

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Dennis Kucinich!! !! !
I am not likely to be interested.
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Creating a single-payer system of universal health care that provides full coverage for all Americans by passage of the United States National Health Insurance Act.
I would still push for a private system, a significant number of our current problems in my eyes are because of government interventions(bad development of the insurance industry due to tax loopholes during ww2, overregulation of medicine, wasteful procedures, etc)
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Guaranteed quality education for all; including free pre-kindergarten and college for all who want it.
Free college is going to tie college to the state even more, this will likely include greater regulation and standardization of it, I also view the collegic system as a sick system where we need to find another alternative.
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Immediate withdrawal from the World Trade Organization (WTO) and North American Free Trade Agreement (NAFTA).
I worship free trade..... just joking, but free trade and economic growth are shown to be correlated, and free trade increases resource efficiency.
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Preventing the privatization of social security.
Providing full social security benefits at age 65.
I would prefer a private system as I want people to control their own retirement as it is their money. The current system is paternalistic in my opinion. I also am not a fan of the method he is using to fix the system, I would prefer delaying benefits or cutting back as given the changes in the way things are working, we would be assuming a large tax burden through this measure.
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Creating a balance between workers and corporations.

I tend to distrust "balances". Balance is merely a term to mean a large amount of regulation that will likely stiffen the labor market and prevent possible productive trades.
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Ending the H1B and L1 Visa Programs

I disagree with these measures, the labor mobility provided by these visas will increase the efficient allocation of this highly skilled labor. I see no reason to get rid of these visas, if anything we should liberalize immigration and other measures rather than cut these things away.
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Restoring rural communities and family farms.
Not my concern, nor do I think it is a necessary goal of the government. If the rural communities aren't doing so well then perhaps they shouldn't exist, I don't see a reason to subsidize people just because they live in a certain location.



And awesomeglorious, let's not forget the most important point of all. My smiley face is much bigger AND more evil looking than yours, therefor in a free market, I win!


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17 Sep 2007, 7:26 am

scale of 10 to 1 by the look... :lol: :lol:

Bazza: Liberal Nationals are conservative by definition. It doesn't matter whether he is a wet or a dry, he is a conservative. His policies support big business and are anti-worker and anti-union. They have been since he entered parliament under Gorton. His original proposition for a GST appeared in 1973 and had they been in power back then he would have tried to get it passed by the time World Series Cricket came along. That blocking of supply by the opposition during Whitlam's years was criminal, and was ordered by Fraser, who masterminded Kerr's sacking of Whitlam. Sure, Whitlam's ministers screwed him with Khemlani, but after 23 years of conservative governments under Menzies, Holt, Gorton and McMahon; what else could Labour do but to borrow? And thanks to Whitlam we were able to pull out of Vietnam before it became a complete embarrassment. Best thing that ever happened was when Hawke got elected in '83, but even he screwed up when Keating de-regulated the banks. The only decent thing Howard did was the gun buy back (and I can post facts about that if you want), but apart from that he has screwed us royally.
The abolition of centralised wage fixing was a complete disaster, and the joining in on this war on terror is yet another mistake as well. We wouldn't have lost 88 people in Bali had it not been for Howard going balls and all with GWB. Now we can only hope sanity prevails and Kevin Rudd gets in.


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17 Sep 2007, 8:35 am

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And awesomeglorious, let's not forget the most important point of all. My smiley face is much bigger AND more evil looking than yours, therefor in a free market, I win!

Most important point? According to what? The argument is baseless without a market to appeal to or product to sell. Not only that but my smiley is my trademark, frankly, I might have brand loyalty, did you ever think about that mister?



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17 Sep 2007, 3:52 pm

NOT HILLARY

I won't go entirely in on my Hillary Clinton rant, but I will say this. If Hillary Clinton wins and becomes the first female president of the United States, I would, for the first time, be truly embarrassed to be an American. Out first woman president would have been a former 1st lady who "stood by her man" when he cheated on her and treated her like s**t. She may be intellegent and once had the ability to succeed in politics on her own merit, but instead rode her husband's success to get where she is. She is the ANTI-feminist. I mourn for feminism in this country. It is dead.

Besides, I greatly disagree with her politics too.

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17 Sep 2007, 5:19 pm

I sent Kucinich some money, so he's doomed :(



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17 Sep 2007, 11:39 pm

RON PAUL!! !

He's got this really crazy platform- govern according to the Constitution! Wacky I know, and no one has dared attempt it for over a hundred years, but it just might work.

And don't believe the nonsense about him being "unelectable"- the analysts have looked at the lineup and concluded that Dr. Paul is the ONLY Republican with a realistic shot at beating Hillary. And on Facebook, the largest 2008 elecction group is not pro-anyone, but just anti-Hillary. We don't want Hillary, let's elect Paul. Also, Ron Paul has won every debate so far and placed strongly in or won outright several straw polls. But the corporate-owned media wants to discredit him because his tenure in office would cut down on their influence and power. Why is Fox News, a supposedly conservative news station, hosting fundraisers for Hillary? Also, someone mentioned "don't vote for that war-monger Romney." Well, Hillary and Obama have both been threatening to pre-emptively nuke Iran if they get the chance. I don't really want that.

If you really believe Guiliani or Romney are viable candidates, look at their platforms (and Romney's flip-flopping...). Both are mainstream liberals, meaning that huge numbers of Republicans would boycott the polls, ensuring a Hillary victory.

Dr. Ron Paul is a graduate of Duke Medical School, an author of several books on constitutional law and economics, a faithful husband, father, and grandfather. He is the only Congressman who want to cut his own salary. When he speaks, he speaks on PRINCIPLE- not because what he says is politically expedient. He demands honesty, he has promised to abolish the illegal income tax, meaning that the average American currently earning $32,000/year would then have $48,000/year, unless of course the employer chose to offset part of the tax cut with a decrease in pay (which they will do, but not to the extent that the full amount of the tax cut is given to the employer).


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18 Sep 2007, 12:30 am

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And don't believe the nonsense about him being "unelectable"- the analysts have looked at the lineup and concluded that Dr. Paul is the ONLY Republican with a realistic shot at beating Hillary. And on Facebook, the largest 2008 elecction group is not pro-anyone, but just anti-Hillary. We don't want Hillary, let's elect Paul. Also, Ron Paul has won every debate so far and placed strongly in or won outright several straw polls. But the corporate-owned media wants to discredit him because his tenure in office would cut down on their influence and power. Why is Fox News, a supposedly conservative news station, hosting fundraisers for Hillary? Also, someone mentioned "don't vote for that war-monger Romney." Well, Hillary and Obama have both been threatening to pre-emptively nuke Iran if they get the chance. I don't really want that.


Obama has also said that he'll bomb locations in Pakistan in an attempt to find al-Qaeda without the Pakistani government's consent or permission.

Did Obama really say he'd nuke Iran or just bomb them? If he said nuke, then that's really really scary.



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18 Sep 2007, 3:46 pm

i have trouble keeping them all straight....... have never been able to.

i know all these names being mentioned.... and some of their views to match (though i know more of the span of views.... if that makes sense... just not whose are whose views).... which bungles the whole point of voting.... i almost have to have someone remind me of all the factions right before i vote.... so it's like just TELLING me who to vote for, cause if you lied, i'd have no clue otherwise...............


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18 Sep 2007, 3:56 pm

Ron Paul, he knows who is running America from behind the scences just like Kennedy did, get rid of the Federal Reserve and Americas debt to it, let America have its own money, Just like Kennedy brought in, mind you how long will it be before the ruling Elite shoot him?, just like Kennedy was?



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19 Sep 2007, 2:44 pm

i dont really know, if ron paul gets rid of the IRS i'll vote for him. i can tell you who i think is overrated though john mccain. when will this guy give up trying to be president?



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19 Sep 2007, 3:19 pm

McCain is a f*****g scumbag.



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19 Sep 2007, 4:01 pm

Whoever is running against hIllary and her gang.