Knife Control is coming to Scotland

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I know, I TOLD you I used to be a LOT more like you than you would belive.

I don't belive in punishing citizens to prevent crime.

http://www.pinkpistols.org/

THis ought to mess your head up.

You don't live here how often would you hear it? The "Armed citizen" is largely our own phenomena.

You assumed I had to be a male and a redneck becuse I owned guns.

Sorry I dont meet your sterotype.

I'm a gun owning atheist queer. And a blue state northerner yet.

I hope you don't get most of yor views on people from american movies! LOLOLOLOL!

Last edited by Tak on 08 Aug 2005, 8:36 pm, edited 1 time in total.

When Sean was being a bigoted twit I popped his bubble. You were cool with that.

When you were and I called you on it that was DIFFERENT.

What makes you so special?

Oh yes very amusing. I dont like the fact that queers with cowboy attitudes think their "right" to own a gun is more important than lives any more than a traditional cowboy. I get my views on american people by hearing their ignorant views over the internet. Luckily there are some sane americans but not enough unfortunately.

Thats because i wasnt bigoted. You put some posts that sounded cowboyesque. Now stop screaming victim at every opurtunity or people wont take you seriously. I never posted anything bigoted. What makes your so special that you think your "right" to carry guns is more important than the many lives that are lost because of lax gun laws in the usa?

No i didnt. Stop making things up.

Yes and how come your "phenomena" has led to some of the highest crime rates in the western world. I know fortunately i dont live there so i dont have to put up with silly statements that are straight out of a cowboy movie too often. So its usually just the movies, internet or George W that i find comments like that come from.

Incidents like Dunblaine or the Australians Port Arthur Masacre are extremely rare in most parts of the US because there are citizens with guns to shoot back. Such incidents never occured in England before 1903 when British citizens carried concealed pistols without so much as a permit. As for being glad you don't have a gun because you woud be in jail now, it doesn't work that way in the US. If you tried that here, there's a high probablility that you'd be dead. You only draw a gun on someone here in a potentially life threatening situation or you're likely to get shot because other people have guns too. It makes for a polite society in most parts of the country that have few gun laws.

Actually i have had my home under attack but thankfully i managed to handle the situation. Anyway i wouldnt want to be dead any more than be in jail. The fact is that gun deaths and murders overall are much higher in the usa than any other western country and guns are the biggest factor in that. It is quite selfish of americans to put gun ownership over life, but then judging by the fact that the usa is the worlds biggest polluter and refuses to sign up to the agreement to cut pollution down makes me think that short term thinking and sefishness is encorouged over there.

Gun ownership and life are intertwined over here. One of the laws this country was founded upon is that the government is forbidden from banning private gun ownership...And the US is not about to give that up at the fickle and neurotic whim of the rest of the world.

Don't bother, hes not really trying to support his claim. Notice when people disagreed with him he started on the "ignorant American cowboy" thing.

Its the standard slur used by euro whiners on usenet when Americans don't agree with the "civilized way"" aka the way they are in whatever place they come from which is automatically superior to anywhere else ESPECIALLY the US.

When that didn't work he tried blaming me for the fact GEorge Bush has no concept of "enviromental policy"

I didn't vote for G.Bush, I've never liked G.Bush, but when pushed into a corner, Iw as connected with bush and then bush was attacked. :/

Attacking me vicariously through a president I despise. THough you know us gun owners are all bad ol BUsh Repugs, even if we are not.

All He knows is "all gun owners bad" you can quote stistics, constitutional law, American ethical philoshophy and it will acomplish nothing.

Argue it into the ground and he'll shift ot to the various blunders of the Bush administration, get past that he will qoute the lower murder rates in "gun ban" coutries, point out the gun ban countries have a much higher rate of stabbings and clubbings, and of course, bombs. Busses and subaways generally don't explode here. When they do its a wonder that goes on for months.

Wait till they want a ban on chemestry. Do you have a permit to be carrying a chemestry textbook?

To him good citizens serve the state, might makes right and the policeman is your friend, furthermore if its illegal its bad.

Run of the mill statist. Its old hat really, Add him to your block list, I did. If I want to hear that sort of thing I can go to the HCI website.

You can try and get personal all you like but you cant get round the fact that murder rates are higher there and chidren die regularly with gunshot wounds. You and Sean think your little "hobby" and being able to think you are a dangerous woman able to ward off bad men is more important than lives.

Compare the lives taken by all the bombs that have went off in western europe over the last few decades to the amount of lives taken by guns in america then afterwrds hang your head in shame.

If you dont like the cowboy thing dont write things like one would or a militia member. Are you not able to grasp there is a difference between calling someone something and saying that what some of what you posted reminded me of something?

You dont know me or my disdain for some of the politics of this state as well so would you stop making things up you know nothing about. You didnt like it when sean done the same thing about gays so it seems you have more in common with him than you think.

Oh no im black balled by another person on the net who cant take facts. Go and have a hissy fit because someone disagrees with you and has won the argument as far as anyone who thinks lifes is important is concerned. See if i care. I dont presume anything about your "lifestyle" so dont presume that im some do-gooder whining policemans friend and think might makes right when you nothing about me.

Not that it makes any difference but id rather see Sean have guns than you because he isnt as righteous, angry and emotional as you seem to be. A bad combination!

I have had to deal with violence on a regular basis and have yet to call the cops. Have you? I cant even be bothered to argue with you any more because your to blame for tens of thousands of deaths by proxy. I think il just "black ball" you Tak.

Bricks, sticks, glasses, bottles. The knife problem is much more common in the Glasgow area, people elsewhere manage perfectly well without them in the main. In Pollokshaws (where I live) there was a sttabbing 20 yds from the Police station, in front of the CCTV, Dead effective eh? People have also been drowned, thrown from the multi-storeys, run over and just plain beaten to death.

The fact remains that in scotland the biggest number of murders is caused by knives and CCTV has cut crimes in areas that they have been installed. Im not saying things are perfect but no-one has come up withbetter ideas. People need to see the big picture. Oh and congratulations on where you live. I might not be beverly hills but its not within my means to stay there.

Well now it means that you will not be permitted to carry a knife. I doubt such a law would prevent crimminals from carrying them illegally. So now its illegal for you to carry a knife to defend yourself.

I agree that things as they are are regretable, I agree that something should be done. I'm not contradicting you in the main. I am saying that the bigger picture you allude to is not the bigger picture. If you take one tools away then people will use others. CCTV could be great if used properly, but it very rarely is. We should be tackling the attitudes behind this type of crime, so much of it is due to religious bigotry, or the macho attitudes of many here.
Pollokshaws beyond your means? It's GHA stock and I'm surrounded by junkies, ne'er-do-wells asylum seekers and pensioners. I wish they would move everyone apart from the Asylum seekers, they don't throw their Buckfast bottles out the window.