Dennis Kucinich steals the show at pres. debate

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guiliani is simply a corrupt bully.

and anyone who's still stupid enough to want to waste money in Iraq, shouldn't be president.

also, the whole anti-gay-marriage thing is pretty bad

Ok, so consistency and honesty? I guess values would make sense for a choice, but to me even though there is some consistency wouldn't we find consistent wrongness? Especially in the economic issues as he is so staunchly libertarian?


Oh, I know that giuliani is corrupt and lacking in general moral principles, but that is simply something you find in politicians.

Americans hate giving up and in most measures I would think Vietnam was worse for America but we had many presidents who didn't give up on that quest.


Giuliani is not that anti-gay marriage and is much more tolerant of this than most Republicans. Really though, is the legal package that we know as marriage really that important? It may be unfortunate that the government doesn't allow for gay couples to get marital benefits, but this is a small deal compared to an apparent quest to remove every government department from existence.

I guess it seems to me that it is a matter of seen character and hot button issues being used as a litmus test to determine character. I dunno, it just strikes me that the policies of Ron Paul would be ridiculous if one were not very libertarian. I mean, even though there are some gains on social issues, the man does want to remove almost all government programs and his foreign policy still stinks if one is an internationalist as can be noted from the very end of this video clip.
http://www.comedycentral.com/motherload/?ml_video=88505

I don't think RP wants to get rid of every unconstitutional beaurocracy to f**k the government, I think he plans on removing them to protect our freedom.

Unconstitutional is a major issue of interpretation. Many do view these bureaucracies as constitutional. Really though, your point is on motive but the issue is actually policy. Ron Paul probably does mean the best, but if you believe that the government should do these things then he is going to mess with your government.

http://www.clevescene.com/2007-12-05/ne ... ng-of-spin

Article on Kucinich explaining how he's not just one of the phoniest people in politics, but would probably cause more damage to the nation that Bush has.

If messing with the government you mean nipping police state in the bud, fine with me.

If messing with the government you mean get rid of the IRS, fine with me. It should have been done away with a long time ago but once again people claimed temporary when they meant permanent.

There are government branches that should exist but really, Homeland security is a joke. I don't feel more secure do you?

If someone or a branch is not doing their job, what good are they?

Who helped out more during Hurricane Katrina, the citizens or the govt?

Did you know that the levees weren't really fixed but just restored to what they were before?

We need to quit expanding the government tree. All it's doing is creating more work loads for people about issues that those people really don't care about.

For education, we get people who are passionate about politics and not about education. We need specialty qualifications for education to put someone in charge of that rather than someone who was trained in politics. Public schools now, less emphasis on education, more emphasis on social correctness.

I am unsure as to what democratic candidate I like so far. I'm usually not for any candidate but this year I see someone who is more for America and Americans than the other candidates. He also is honest and has the voting record to prove it.

the only republicans i like are ron paul and mike huckabee

I thought I'd just kick this topic up to celebrate Dennis Kucinich's worthless, America-hating ass getting left in the dust in the primaries.

Choke on it, far-lefties, socialist foreigners and America haters. CHOKE ON IT.

What would people who reply say to the idea of Dennis Kucinich either being someone's VP or receiving a Cabinet appointment, give or take the right presidential candidate?

About the same chance Ron Paul would get a Cabinet position or VP in a Republican administration. Which is to say, zero.