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11 Feb 2006, 11:36 pm

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Try Wicca. If you want to read up on it, I suggest Gerald Gardner (the originator)...


I could be thinking of someone else, but didnt Gardner commision his mate Aliester Crowley to write the book?

I havent read it myself, but i think he may have been paid per page, not always a good idea with heroin addicts!



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11 Feb 2006, 11:48 pm

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one more con - a lot of pretensious little goth kids


That would be the wrong crowd to whom I was referring. At least there's still Asatru, although I suppose it's only a matter of time before it gets jumped on by the black metal kids.

[edit]: I'm pretty sure there's a generation gap between Crowley and Gardner. Gardner's writing was heavily influenced by that of Crowley, though. It's also said that Crowley was heavily influenced by Sir Francis Barrett.



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12 Feb 2006, 12:02 am

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I've started a new religion.

1. Don't be delusional.
2. Think as if you have brains.
3. Common sense please
4. Everyone else is crazy but those who believe with critical thinking skills.


So when are you going to start incorporating these great commandments into your postings?



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12 Feb 2006, 12:55 am

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techstepgenr8tion wrote:
one more con - a lot of pretensious little goth kids


That would be the wrong crowd to whom I was referring. At least there's still Asatru, although I suppose it's only a matter of time before it gets jumped on by the black metal kids.

[edit]: I'm pretty sure there's a generation gap between Crowley and Gardner. Gardner's writing was heavily influenced by that of Crowley, though. It's also said that Crowley was heavily influenced by Sir Francis Barrett.


I know what your saying, I've had friends in the past too who were wikka or pegan who were otherwise. I'm just saying that you get that corner of the crowd as well.


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12 Feb 2006, 1:01 am

So when are you going to start incorporating these great commandments into your postings?

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I already have you infidel <Laugh Snort>

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12 Feb 2006, 2:34 am

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On a serious note, and to techstepgenr8tion, yeah I know there ain't no such thing as Utopia. I hate seeing the peaceful punished by the bullies too - look at the Dalai Lama, he's been exiled from his own country. Perhaps it will always be necessary to fight when you are forced to, which is a hard idea to swallow. How will there ever be peace if this is the natural law?

Hm..


Natural law is a big one that often "gets in the way" of good ideas. I definately think that it is necessary to fight, however fight with defense. Block the bullies because waaay too often EVERYWHERE in life the bullies win because of "natural law" and nothing but.

Ok I'm going to go off on a tangent as I feel extremely passionate in this area, so read if you can be bothered:

For me, the way I've been able to do fight the glutoneous demons is by paying attention in every situation what's really going on. In otherwords, ignore the words people are saying, ignore the news, television, movie or whatever other manmade thing is going on. Instead, pay close attention to the energy running through me giving me my "feelings" as this never lies - sometimes my brain interprets it incorrectly but I've been working on this problem. When I'm feeling anxious, I'll check that I'm breathing right and I'm all good, I'll look around to find out why I'm feeling this way. Behind me, I'll catch a churchman staring at me. I'll stare dead into the *********'s soul until he looks away and realises that 1500 years I would have killed him for staring at me like that. He'll leave me alone from then on in. This can also be done through subtle and random hand gestures when it's too dangerous to look into the attacker's eye. Although a split second glance into the person's eye to tell the fiend that it's presence is acknowledged is recommended in most situations. I've no fear of physical pain or death anymore. Because of this, I've no fear of a lot of these demons. There are those that look to hurt in other ways, and in these situations, eye contact, body language, collectiveness, lucidity and intelligence are my recommended weapons.



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13 Feb 2006, 4:03 pm

psybot wrote:
Sunni wrote:
On a serious note, and to techstepgenr8tion, yeah I know there ain't no such thing as Utopia. I hate seeing the peaceful punished by the bullies too - look at the Dalai Lama, he's been exiled from his own country. Perhaps it will always be necessary to fight when you are forced to, which is a hard idea to swallow. How will there ever be peace if this is the natural law?

Hm..


Natural law is a big one that often "gets in the way" of good ideas. I definately think that it is necessary to fight, however fight with defense. Block the bullies because waaay too often EVERYWHERE in life the bullies win because of "natural law" and nothing but.

Ok I'm going to go off on a tangent as I feel extremely passionate in this area, so read if you can be bothered:

For me, the way I've been able to do fight the glutoneous demons is by paying attention in every situation what's really going on. In otherwords, ignore the words people are saying, ignore the news, television, movie or whatever other manmade thing is going on. Instead, pay close attention to the energy running through me giving me my "feelings" as this never lies - sometimes my brain interprets it incorrectly but I've been working on this problem. When I'm feeling anxious, I'll check that I'm breathing right and I'm all good, I'll look around to find out why I'm feeling this way. Behind me, I'll catch a churchman staring at me. I'll stare dead into the *********'s soul until he looks away and realises that 1500 years I would have killed him for staring at me like that. He'll leave me alone from then on in. This can also be done through subtle and random hand gestures when it's too dangerous to look into the attacker's eye. Although a split second glance into the person's eye to tell the fiend that it's presence is acknowledged is recommended in most situations. I've no fear of physical pain or death anymore. Because of this, I've no fear of a lot of these demons. There are those that look to hurt in other ways, and in these situations, eye contact, body language, collectiveness, lucidity and intelligence are my recommended weapons.


I feel pretty passionate about this one too, mostly cause I've been at the hands of the bullies (I'm sure that lots of people here have too) but also because I'm reading some mad literature about the necessity of fighting. Have you seen that old movie called Apocalypse Now? In it, this top army colonel called Kurtz goes totally nuts, boycotts the army and starts commanding his own troops in the Jungle. He went totally nuts because he had this massive realization that you have to 'kill without prejudice'. That means, as a moral, humanitarian being you also have to be able to kill non-judgementally if it is required.. even if it means killing your own kind.

That said, if war is not necessary then we can all go about defeating the brutes another way. It is such a shame that natural law seems to kill off the thoughtful and sensitive ones and let the bullies multiply, but then again, will there not always be a lesser requirement for the gentle and intellectual advisors, and a greater need for the masses out on the battlefield?

That was interesting about 'trusting your inner energy'. I have a book by this spiritual geezer called Eckhart Tolle, and here is a passage from it, which says the same thing:

If a response is required in a situation,
focus within and feel the inner body.
You will immediately become still and
present as you withdraw consciousness
from the mind, and the answer or action
will come up from this deeper level.



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13 Feb 2006, 10:47 pm

Natural law's been a clincher for me also in the sense that I spent years trying to fight my way through my AS, gain all the social skills, and all that said it's not gonna matter much - I still have *that* look and vibe about me (not something specifically aspie but something that just tells people that from their own standards I'm a geek). That certain look had people instantly messing with me back in school, instantly laughing at some guy who they thought was just hillareously goofy (and they were right to a point, I was a dork), and now it seems to boil down to keeping myself overly cautious about the dating game - now the guys can overlook it for the most part but from the other side of the gender line it's like blood in the water (yeah, if they aren't elitists I'll still get along with em but it seems like a deal breaker for anything passed just getting along). Then again I'd love to think that's all in my head though, I'll keep my fingers crossed and hope that life has a chance to prove me wrong on that some day soon.

On another note though, about war, its definitely crazy what people will do. I've got a friend who's a retired Army Ranger, was over in Afghanistan, and he was showing me a lot of what he was taught - all that stuff like on Basic where they do that 7 steps to fillet an enemy (puncture to the lung, across the caratid arteries, splitting the sternum, etc.) - all that's pretty real and it's kinda scary to think that if I were in that position I could probably do the same thing. I don't know if he was bulls---ing me but he said he killed about 18 people over there and his sister was telling us how he was getting turbans back in the mail with bits and pieces still in em.


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15 Feb 2006, 4:25 pm

Its time to find no religion and be free minded and celidrate the greatness within.


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