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03 Aug 2025, 5:02 pm

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If my mindset led me to the conclusion that killing children or slavery was ever justified under any circumstance, I’d reevaluate it.
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The Bible if you are a Christian and spritual person it needs to be read with a spiritual mind and annexe of that carnal and wordly mind when analysing it.
There’s a lot of diversity when it comes to how Christians choose to approach the Bible. Some maintain their faith while upholding skepticism regarding historicity, authorship, divine inspiration, etc. That’s certainly been the case for some Christians who’ve been on WP over the years.
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I think that goes for any religious text as long as they are not doing harm, for me should be left to be.
They still are doing a lot of harm, which is why I think critical discussions of holy books are so incredibly important.


My International Relations studies also may be make me see that I frame my thinking around more Relativism and rational theories. I am more rational in theory. Those who are may be may struggle more to apply new laws to ancient societies to judge them by it. Being rational minded can be an autistic trait as well. The Sahderian council they were the judges for some of the Bible as to what was lawful or not. In the Old Testament it seemed to be God who was the judge and saying the judge is guilty for some may struggle to see this as rational. I like human rights as well and have studied that to.

I studied Islam also in my undergraduate and saw like concepts like the Jihad-Holy War had multiple meanings to different people.


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03 Aug 2025, 5:23 pm

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I am more rational in theory. Those who are may be may struggle more to apply new laws to ancient societies to judge them by it.
I’m not so much expecting ancient societies to abide by new laws as expecting an allegedly loving, just, peace-loving, and all-powerful deity to demonstrate those qualities or, at least, not repeatedly prove himself to be a massive a**hole.



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04 Aug 2025, 4:35 am

TwilightPrincess wrote:
RachObi wrote:
I am more rational in theory. Those who are may be may struggle more to apply new laws to ancient societies to judge them by it.
I’m not so much expecting ancient societies to abide by new laws as expecting an allegedly loving, just, peace-loving, and all-powerful deity to demonstrate those qualities or, at least, not repeatedly prove himself to be a massive a**hole.


I am not alone in these thoughts framing the Bible's stance on warfare around Just war doctrines. They were not created then, but the Old Testament was in part inspiration for them etc rational theory as well. I think it can only help your argument. I googled these words today "what just war theory did the Old testament" and "Just war and old Testament laws"
Perhaps you can try the same and see what you think about it and the legitimate authority.

I think the job of an all over leader isn't an easy one and God has many faces. The brief summarys mention about general reverence for peoples faiths if you believe in it or not. I find that interesting as well.

I wrote about the Nation of Islam many years ago, and although they were meant to be a bunch of haters, I tried to see it through a spiritual lens and couldn't amount to same conclusion. It is nice to see you being so passionate about what you hold true.


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15 Aug 2025, 3:38 pm

The Old Testament fails abysmally to live up to the Just War Theory in various passages. As I’ve already stated, though, many of the accounts in the OT didn’t happen according to the archaeological record. As a special interest, I have done a fair amount of research on this topic. I stand by my view that if the biblical god were real and as depicted he’s a genocidal a**hole. Slaughtering babies or entire groups of people is never okay or proportionate. Perhaps reading the entire thread would paint a clearer picture of the atrocities god encouraged, engaged in, committed, etc. I should say that he isn’t consistent, though. As a human creation, he evolved over the centuries and varied with the goals, values, and traditions of the specific writers, editors, and scribes in their unique historical, cultural, and sociopolitical contexts.

From here on out, I’d appreciate it if we stuck to my original purpose for this thread:

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One of the things that initially made me abandon my faith was reading the Bible. What are some [disturbing] passages in the Bible, Quran, or any other holy book that especially stand out to you?



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15 Aug 2025, 3:46 pm

“How the Bible Supports Slavery”



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0:00 Introduction
1:49 Why talk about slavery in the Bible?
4:43 Are we talking about real slavery?
13:50 Where in the Bible is slavery?
20:55 How male and female slaves are treated differently
29:28 Biblical vs American slavery
35:16 Was God regulating slavery to make it better?
40:51 Proof slaves were treated as worth less than free people
47:16 The racial basis of Biblical slavery
54:56 “The laws are to protect women”
1:01:00 What is the best response a Christian can have to all this?
1:11:50 Does the New Testament condemn slavery?
1:17:55 The censored Bible given to slaves in the West Indies
1:25:52 Deuteronomy 23:15-6 against returning escaped slaves
1:30:26 Closing thoughts and advice to questioning Christians/Jews

Here is a link to an earlier post that features some scriptures on the topic of slavery.

Jesus relates a problematic illustration involving slavery when speaking to his disciples that hasn’t been cited yet in this thread. Nowhere does he condemn the practice of owning another human being.
“Who among you would say to your slave who has just come in from plowing or tending sheep in the field, ‘Come here at once and take your place at the table’? 8 Would you not rather say to him, ‘Prepare supper for me; put on your apron and serve me while I eat and drink; later you may eat and drink’? 9 Do you thank the slave for doing what was commanded? 10 So you also, when you have done all that you were ordered to do, say, ‘We are worthless slaves; we have done only what we ought to have done!’”