Israels attack on Lebanon.

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cerainly ljbouchard, all the info i posted in this thread comes from this single document

http://www.state.gov/g/drl/rls/hrrpt/2003/27929.htm

there is far more than this, but since this particular document is on the us department of state website, i figured noone could then argue it to be propaganda from crazed lefties in the land of oz

mcjeff, if you are not actually going to read my posts, don't bother responding to them. you just make yourself look stupid. i'll put these in bold this time to make it easier for you.





this definately happened, i watched the documentary that one of the journalists was filming when he was fatally shot, which was shown on uk tv.

Why is that everything have to be negative about Israel and our country?

It's true.

Saudia Arabia's constitution says literally, the Quaran is the Law. The Quaran is a document open to interpretation, and, just like in other religions such as Catholicism, there are... for lack of a better word, complete scumbags... that are willing to twist the words to take a meaning they want, or if that fails, just make stuff up.

Women's rights are some of the worst in the world in the middle east, and violent crime against women is rarely reported, even more rarely disciplined, and frequently the women who get raped are then penalized for having committed adulturey. See the case in Iran of the girl who was raped and then got stoned for it.

People who quote statistics saying that there's less violent crime and murder and rampage in the ME than there is in the US fail to take into account that the US keeps accurate statistics, whereas the ME nations don't because they don't care. Women to them are animals.

Except, of course, in Israel.

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That's nice. You found two unjustifiable violations. I guess compared to Syria and Iran, Israel truly is a nation of devils. Because of course in your little world, anyone who's anti-Israel has to be good.

No one here has said that Hezbollah or any other terrorist organization is right. However wrong they are though, Israel's reaction is just as bad.

McJeff, I love how you trash your ceditbility with personally attacks. Isn't it great to not only make your opponents hate you, but to also make yourself look stupid?

Are you saying that you think Israel should have atomic weapons, but not Iran? If you are, I want to smack you. I will wait for your reply, though. If that is what you think, I will give you a nice little arguement on why it is bullsh*t. If not, we'll see what happens.

They are deluded into doing such things by the real cowards the ones who put them up to it and indoctornating them into hate that goes so far. A lot of them are young idealists who are taken advatage of by a culture of hate. I think it takes more curage to stand up and try to work towards a peaceful solution. By the way I have known people who have killed themselves I'd say they were more scared than couragous couple that with the line of bull the clerics give them about paradise and there family being taken care of it's horrible. Whatever you want to say about people in the Airforce they want to live and put themselves in harms way.

I don't think it's cowardly, and have never heard that until this thread.

It is dishonorable. Bottom line, end of discussion. There is no honor in killing innocents.

That is exactly what I am saying, and I fail to see how anyone should possibly argue it.

Israel = one of the greatest nations on the Earth.

Iran = a backwards fanatical country run by a megalomaniacal zealot.

Yes, Israel deserves nukes because that's all that keeps countries like Iran in check.

I agree with you somewhat however in all wars, there will be civilian casulties. Israel has been attacked so much ever since the beginning I don't blame Israel for going after Lebonion.

So what do you call the US?

The best nation in the world.

It's not that we're perfect, because we're a long way from it... we're just still better than everyone else.

And seriously, don't even start the Christaian Theocracy crap. That's what it is, crap.

So which one would you prefer to live in I'm not saying we are perfect but they seem to be on a whole different level and Bush will be gone soon hopefully with his fundie buddies

This isn't a real war. Israel is pretending that they are only going after Hezbollah. According to the UN, over 1/3 of the injured are children. Israel should explain what imminent threat those children posed. I do blame Israel for their actions. Who else should I blame for their actions? Regardless of their motivation, they are fully and totally responsible for their actions.

there are many more than that, those are the two i had already found on the department of state document, and reposted for your attention. of course there are many, many more which include the violation of civil rights of arabs, but your apparently bigotted and racist viewpoint deems these inadmissible.

i don't know where you get the idea that i somehow support the actions of iran and syria, i don't remember posting anything that would give you that idea. of course human rights are violated in some muslim nations, i don't think anyone here is denying that.

If you don't agree that Israel is wonderful and the best, then you are saying its enemies are wonderful and the best. I don't understand the thinking either. It's the same sort of thinking that says if you don't agree with Bush, then you support Osama bin Laden. None of it is logical.

It is an argument that comes from the fact that the person believe that there can be no in between. It is an either or situation. The person making the argument cannot fathom a middle of the road (say you think that Osama Bin Laden is a nutcase but you do not approve how Bush is handling the job).

I hear these all of the time. The biggest two years ago was if you do not support Bush's decision to invade Iraq, you do not support our troops there. The fallicay is that the troops had no choice but to obey Bush's orders since he is the commander in chief of all the military in the US. You can support our troops without supporting the decision of the president.

Even in this debate, just because you do not support Israel does not mean that you support the terrorists such as Hamas or Hezbollah or the countries that support them such as Iran or Syria. I think they are all wrong in this case.