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28 Dec 2011, 3:14 pm

Awesomelyglorious wrote:

Honestly, I personally need some guidance on how to block a user. I have Google Chrome, and I don't know how to get that to work with WP's forum to block somebody. I know there is a Firefox version of a solution, but I'd rather not switch to Firefox. I also had problems trying to download greasemonkey for Firefox as well.... and so I am not sure even how to implement this for Firefox.

I think that in the case of persistent problems between particular posters, I don't think pure rule enforcement is really meaningful. If both sides have it personal against the other, then once again, we just have Bismarck's cigar. The question then comes down to which person has a higher proclivity towards politeness and those other personality variables, not really a question of "Is mod enforcement of the rules making WP a better place?" because the real issue is the conflict, not that a poster is generally disrespectful.

I "think" it is as "easy" as making chrome use custom scripts and then pasting the firefox code me or lau made already. Maybe you should try this first: http://mashable.com/2010/02/01/google-c ... emonkey-2/

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29 Dec 2011, 10:58 am

hyperlexian wrote:

i know exactly how you feel about moderation. IIRC, when i warned you, your response was that i should "f**k myself", which is an interesting response. you weren't the first, and you probably won't be the last. :lol:

Most moderators try very hard to be polite when moderating. You are often rather rude.

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i have an easy fix to avoid getting warned by a moderator: don't break the rules. you admit in your post above that you are sometimes in violation of the rules, so i imagine that you are quite aware when it happens. therefore it should not be hard to avoid.

The interpretation of the rules, and the determination as to whether a rule has been violated, are very much dependent upon the nature of the moderator.

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if you feel like other people's infractions are getting missed and therefore you are receiving warnings when others are getting away with things, feel free to contact a moderator yourself.

Some of us are inclined neither to be tattle-tales, nor to have an inordinate interest in rules, infractions and warnings.

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29 Dec 2011, 11:39 am

pandabear wrote:

Most moderators try very hard to be polite when moderating. You are often rather rude.

how do you know whether i'm trying very hard or not? perhaps you have heard of a condition called asperger's syndrome.

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The interpretation of the rules, and the determination as to whether a rule has been violated, are very much dependent upon the nature of the moderator.

to some degree, yes. you mentioned before you were some sort of judge, so i am certain you are familiar with this phenomenon.

if you have any doubts about my moderation towards you, feel free to contact another moderator with your concerns.

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Some of us are inclined neither to be tattle-tales, nor to have an inordinate interest in rules, infractions and warnings.

so you don't really respect the rules, but expect that i will listen to your concerns about how they are applied? that's interesting.

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29 Dec 2011, 2:09 pm

My own philosophy is that I don't really care about what mods do. That way I can expect the same treatment for them.

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29 Dec 2011, 2:58 pm

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There seems to be quite a few structural problems with WP moderation. There are too few moderators who are expected to moderate *way too many* forums. This has resulted in moderators, like quite a few public administrators, emphasizing responsiveness to complaints over proactive action or preventive de-escalation of conflicts.

You know, I actually suggested some time ago that they add more mods, only to be told that 4 was enough and that they didn't want too many cooks in the kitchen or something to that effect. I can't remember who that was in particular that said that, I do seem to remember throwing out 10 as a possible number of mods though. I almost think they ought to go 1 per active forum at this point, L&D in particular sure seems like a full time gig these days.

That's a good term BTW, preventative de-escalation. That's another area where a mod that came from and stays active in PPR would be helpful, as most users here aren't going to report something that *might* get ugly and risk mod overreaction and forum ire if it got out that they brought the mod into it.

I don't know how one could ever find 10 mods that all the other mods and Alex would approve of. Especially when you realize that means you probably actually need to find 40 - 60 suitable people per five year period. If anyone could, sure, the volume would be great.

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29 Dec 2011, 3:07 pm

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hyperlexian wrote:

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hyperlexian wrote:

alex does not take volunteers.

Alrighty then, What do I need to do?

alex does not pick people who want the job.

Alex picks people that Do not want the job, Therefore making people do something they dont want to do, Therefore putting the site in jeopardy??? Seriously?

If thats what floats his boat.

The concept is that people who actively seek or desire the job are more likely to get carried away with the authority they have been given. And wanting the job is far from proof a person would be any good at it.

Current moderators generally nominate people that have shown restraint or good judgement in multiple difficult posting situations, and Alex generally makes a final decision as to who he wants in the job. Some people get offered the position and decline to accept it; obviously, it is good to have moderators who are, at least, willing, even if they would never have sought the position.

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29 Dec 2011, 7:58 pm

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Oh I'm aware of the bottle-neck problem, it's one of the more persistent ones that comes up anytime the site mods are discussed. Given my own observations over the years, I'm starting to think that rather than having 4 full time mods or so, that something like a "mod pool" of 10 or more relatively active posters that switch off being "active" while still participating in the internal discussion and basic housekeeping when not actively "up" might be workable, and do a better job at reducing burnout as well. That seems to be the major issue with turnover, modwork as it's currently designed is fairly isolating, frustrating, unrewarding, etc, and it's hard to recruit suitable replacement candidates in a timely manner because of the no volunteers rule and the unknown qualifications that Alex uses in his final yes/no call. Having a pool would also reduce the "we need someone, anyone, NOW!" panics that seem to have lead to some bad selections when an unexpected retirement has occurred, and generally allow for faster reactions to developing situations without unduly burdening a small group of overworked volunteers.

Just thinking aloud here. :wink:

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31 Dec 2011, 2:15 am

DW_a_mom wrote:

bcousins wrote:

Alex picks people that Do not want the job, Therefore making people do something they dont want to do, Therefore putting the site in jeopardy??? Seriously?

If thats what floats his boat.

And that is fantastic logic - however speaking as a forum owner myself, I find a "Hiring" process to be the best method for finding staff that would cope with the workload.

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02 Jan 2012, 2:22 pm

My own endorsement for a "PPR-mod" would go to visagrunt, personally

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03 Jan 2012, 6:08 am

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My own endorsement for a "PPR-mod" would go to visagrunt, personally

I think he'd do great as well; I actually think he may have been tapped before and turned it down though. What is it with you Canadian Vs and being reasonable? :wink:

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03 Jan 2012, 6:40 am

I'd volunteer for the job, but I know how much I'm loved by the mods here.

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03 Jan 2012, 8:26 am

Dox47 wrote:

Vigilans wrote:

My own endorsement for a "PPR-mod" would go to visagrunt, personally

I think he'd do great as well; I actually think he may have been tapped before and turned it down though. What is it with you Canadian Vs and being reasonable? :wink:

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