Remember when the liberals said that there were no WMDs

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I think you guys can discuss this without referring to each other as tards.
I might be wrong, though.

I can hold a discussion with pretty much anyone on whatever level they choose to hold it at. For example, when talking with tkmattson, I speak to him with the utmost respect and don't throw around insults.

This is the first time I've taken a swing at Griff, but I've seen him in other topics referring to all conservatives as "fa***ts" (funny insult for a "progressive" to use, eh?). So when I call him a tard, you can consider it a preemptive strike. Or a strike first policy. Whichever.

And for the record, he is a tard. Another Berkeley educated, blindly anti-American tard. He knows as much as the average high school graduate and a smattering of carefully selected, uncompared facts that manage to convince him and a few other people that he actually knows anything. But the instant someone confronts him on the factual inaccuracy of the things he says, he has nothing to fall back on except saying "what college do you go to?" If I answered that question, I would surely be informed that my education was inferior to his and so I can't possibly be correct, because that's what all these college-educated Berkeley types say, right up to Chomsky and Churchill.

Griff is being rather assholish to call entire political philosophies by any negative term, it is one thing to indicate a personal dislike but it is arrogance to proclaim an ideology is bad and that all adherents are evil, whether this is done by the left or the right. As well, the level of education a person has is not the basis of judgment on a person's worth in an argument anyway, whether you had a doctorate from Harvard or were even a high school dropout, the major concern is the validity of the argument. I would say that you should drop the whole Berkeley thing though, he didn't go to Berkeley and Berkeley is a good school and it isn't on the list of top 10 most liberal colleges despite its past. That may shock you as you likely know its past but it is largely to do with current trends as modern Berkeley students now care less about activism and more about getting the grades and good jobs.

Hmmmmm, can you show me where in my post that I said that I was referring to you?!? I was referring to the percentage of americans who have suddenly changed their position on the war.

To always think that other people are concerned with your thoughts is the epitome of arrogance. In fact, hows this for your ego: I didn't even read your posts before putting mine up.

Pretty much what I thought. I don't read much into credentials, myself, but I seriously don't think that you're in a position to make talk on the issue. Now, either let the issue of our respective political leanings drop, or take your rubbish elsewhere. I can dish it out as well as you can, big boy.

And, as I was saying, I opposed the endeavor from the getgo. It was a bad idea, and I knew why it was a bad idea. Take a deep breath. Let it out. Say "the liberals were right." You'll feel so much better.

But how can I take my "rubbish" elsewhere when handing you your ass in debate is so much fun?

Keep dancing, liberal. Keep squirming.

You can't even hold your own, so don't even go there.

And, as I was saying, I wasn't referring to you at all. You just can't grasp that concept can you?

The liberals were right.

Yes, they were, for now. You're right, for now, so what? In ten years, if Iraq should pull throught the turbulance and become a flourishing democracy, who's right then? No one, thats who. Why? Because ten years later that democratic government could be overthrown by an even worse dictator. Then, 10 years later a goverment coup could install the greatest regime in the history of earth.

Thats why all this nonsense about who's right and who's wrong is pointless chest thumping. You're right for now, a extrememly small period of time in the history of the planet, so what? Please explain to me how your boasting helps the situation??? The only thing that matters right now is that we've got troops dying, civilians who are scared to walk the streets, and a country that might fall apart. To take glee in these facts so you can walk with your head up high yelling "I was right!", "I was right!" is disgusting.

Perhaps you should print a shirt that reads: "Thousands had to die, a country had to descend into anarchy, families were broken, but, it was all worth it, because I WAS RIGHT!! !! !"

Yes, you were right. For now. So what???

BTW I am neither conservative nor liberal, I think both parties have some things right and some things wrong. And, it wasn't only liberals who were oppossed to the war either.

This may be hard for you to comprehend, dips**t, but... I... Already... Won. You didn't even attempt to debate because you knew instantly that you had lost utterly, and instead turned the subject to college education.

If if if if if if if if if if if if SADDAM had gotten struck on the head with a rock and decided, all of a sudden, to hold free and open elections, if if if if if if the coming of the Messiah depended upon Saddam being in power, if if if IF IF IF. The thing is, I knew years ago that Iraq couldn't be held together without the force of a dictator. Perhaps civil war could have been averted if they'd been split into three states the day after Saddam was taken out of power, finally undoing the wrong that was done to them in forcing them together in the first place.

That was the whole point of this thread, though. That's what you seem to have missed.

But intensely satisfying. I should have made wagers on this as we were going in. I could have retired.

I'd like to know your political leanings, then.

There may be minors hanging about, dude. Watch it with the language.

Nope.

No, the reason that I didn't even attempt to debate is that I don't take you the least bit seriously. Any intelligent discussion would be wasted on you. For that matter, any intelligent discussion would be off-topic in this thread. You came in with a chip on your shoulder, and I honked your nose.

You're the one who started down that tangent, big boy.

this is a rather convoluted statement.

I'm going to take the liberty to translate Griff's post into what he actually means.

Someone who won't back off after I call them a fa***t? Oh s**t I'm totally f****d.



Yep.



I claimed that the US wasn't a superpower and McJeff rubbed my nose in the facts. Rather than address the facts, I attack him, hoping it impresses the few liberals who still haven't seen through my BS.



What's the best thing to do if you get caught in a lie? KEEP LYING!

Politics.. the only thing I hope anyone learns from any verbal debate over the subject is that
a) You cant please everyone so dont try
b) Following people is dangerous

Last time I tried to please everyone, I was pretty bummed out. And yeah, following people is dangerous, especially depending on what they had to eat.

Sorry, but I don't speak ape, fool, or gibberish. I'm afraid your translation is apt to be inaccurate.

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Education is a thing to be shared...in moderation.