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06 Apr 2007, 5:09 pm

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Cultural relativism doesn't do anymore for me than ethno-centrism. Besides, The Netherlands actually had a Christian party of some sort running the show, last I checked. I get the impression that this has some people highly annoyed.

Indeed, I'm pretty pissed off by it. Christians are so... against freedom and so. For decades Holland became a freeer and better country (for example: dutch children are about the happiest in the world (in contrary to US-children by the way, which doesn't actually surprise me)) and now...

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06 Apr 2007, 5:12 pm

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Democracy together with organized religion sucks. It's not actually democracy anymore.

quoted for emphasis....maybe i should move out there...i have a friend in amsterdam.

Ah...Amsterdam, very, very nice place

be quick, it might change sooner or later

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06 Apr 2007, 5:19 pm

Pug wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Democracy together with organized religion sucks. It's not actually democracy anymore.

quoted for emphasis....maybe i should move out there...i have a friend in amsterdam.

Ah...Amsterdam, very, very nice place

be quick, it might change sooner or later

only problems being:

1. language barrier....learning a new language is extremely intimidating. i'd have to learn a couple languages, right? dutch and french?

2. money. from my understanding, it's expensive to live in the netherlands.

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06 Apr 2007, 5:35 pm

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That explains why you are so anti-Christian, and I'm not even a Christian.

But you don't really know anything about the US, just like we don't know the real Holland. You would have to travel and live here for many years to really know the people in a country so large.

Our media is a parody of the people here. But you refuse to believe that.

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06 Apr 2007, 5:39 pm

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EDIT: Deleted some things to avoid unnecessary feuding (I need to take my own advice).

Pug, I reject your premise of the media in the United States, as well as euthanasia in the Netherlands, as well as some other things probably.

Here are some quotations from articles on euthanasia in The Netherlands. If you can find evidence that refutes this, I will make corrections, and apologize.

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<article on the infants.

(source, second page)

The following is a full translation of an interview with then Health minister Els Borst with a Dutch newspaper.

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(source)
(original Dutch source)

I have more.

The first article: I see no wrongs in euthanazing children because their lifes will be inhuman, or they will day soon, suffer their whole life ling...it's inhuman to let them live. Of course, it's bad that not all parents gave explicit permission, that's bad. But we shouldn't illegalize all euthanasia because some doctors made mistakes. Should we ban cars because there are bad cardrivers? Should we ban smoking, alcohol etc for that reason? I say no. You may have another opinion, of course. But it's not bad imo to euthanize children suffering unbearable.
The second article: I don't really see what you want to say by that. I read the whole article (pretty long by the way) but I don't see the point you want to make. Please explain to me...

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06 Apr 2007, 5:42 pm

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You are ethnocentric: Ethnocentrism is the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture.

says the ethnocentric charlatan.

Everyone is somewhat ethnocentric, but since I'm an anthropologist, I'm not a charlatan. People in the US tend to be more locally ethnocentric than nationally ethnocentric.

I think people who are fundamentally unhappy with their country should move away. In some respects, I find Mexico very attractive and I like the culture in the Yucatan.

But I make a concerted effort not to judge all people by their culture. And certainly not by their television programming.

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06 Apr 2007, 5:42 pm

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Pug wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Democracy together with organized religion sucks. It's not actually democracy anymore.

quoted for emphasis....maybe i should move out there...i have a friend in amsterdam.

Ah...Amsterdam, very, very nice place

be quick, it might change sooner or later

1. No. We all speak pretty good english, as you might have noticed :wink:

2. Even the homeless are rich :lol:

no serious, holland isn't expensive.

So join us my friend

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06 Apr 2007, 5:44 pm

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The first article: I see no wrongs in euthanazing children because their lifes will be inhuman, or they will day soon, suffer their whole life ling...it's inhuman to let them live.

So if doctors decide that Autistics lives will be "inhuman" and that they will "suffer their whole life", you're perfectly ok with letting doctors kill off Autistic and Aspie children?

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06 Apr 2007, 5:48 pm

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I'd even believe you if you'd say your government is a parody...

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06 Apr 2007, 5:51 pm

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The first article: I see no wrongs in euthanazing children because their lifes will be inhuman, or they will day soon, suffer their whole life ling...it's inhuman to let them live.

So if doctors decide that Autistics lives will be "inhuman" and that they will "suffer their whole life", you're perfectly ok with letting doctors kill off Autistic and Aspie children?

-_-' What does that in the first place to do with it? Our doctors are not euthanizing socially disabled, only kids that would suffer because of very bad physical disabilities. By the way, me as Autist don't suffer my whole life. It's totally ridiculous to say that.

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06 Apr 2007, 5:52 pm

Personally, I'm all for the youth in Asia. (Especially the cute Japanese chicks...)

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06 Apr 2007, 6:07 pm

Pug wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Pug wrote:

skafather84 wrote:

Pug wrote:

Democracy together with organized religion sucks. It's not actually democracy anymore.

quoted for emphasis....maybe i should move out there...i have a friend in amsterdam.

Ah...Amsterdam, very, very nice place

be quick, it might change sooner or later

1. No. We all speak pretty good english, as you might have noticed :wink:

2. Even the homeless are rich :lol:

no serious, holland isn't expensive.

So join us my friend

you do speak english well but i'd hate to move somewhere and not learn the language....it'd just be kinda arrogant and disrespectful.

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06 Apr 2007, 6:10 pm

and belgian brews are my favorite style of beers.......

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06 Apr 2007, 6:11 pm

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I'd even believe you if you'd say your government is a parody...

We typically like our federal government not to do too much. We are more personally affected by our local governments than the federal government. There is a balance of forces here that sways and shifts every 8 years or so. There is another shift coming and it has always been that way.

Everyone thinks that the country has radically changed in the past few years, but looking closely at history, I don't see it.

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06 Apr 2007, 6:14 pm

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I'd even believe you if you'd say your government is a parody...

only thing that's radically changed is science and technology.

oh yeah, and the rest of the world.

we're back here repeating the same mistakes and same dumb crap we've done in the past.

but back on subject, if someone wants to die, it's their choice. and if you have a problem with it, you can lock the corpse up in jail for a lifetime sentence...i'm sure they won't mind at that point.

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06 Apr 2007, 6:16 pm

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skafather84 wrote:

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You are ethnocentric: Ethnocentrism is the tendency to look at the world primarily from the perspective of one's own culture.

says the ethnocentric charlatan.

you're a charlatan because you claim to be a faith healer and perform exorcisms. these are both acts of a charlatan. just like the "talking to the dead" acts of sylvia browne and jonathan edwards are acts of charlatans. they can't really talk to the dead and you can't really heal people with prayers to god and demons don't exist.

i'm not saying that you don't buy into your own quackery....i'm sure you do....but the quackery is still there nonetheless.

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