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09 Apr 2007, 11:35 am

I'll go take a look for them.



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11 Apr 2007, 7:37 am

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Well, maybe if you gave your favorite Christian song, you'd set the example. :P


Naw, I find the whole idea quite prejudice and closed minded to specifically label a song after a 'religion' that isnt even proven to be right.


It's just favourite Christian songs! Not all those posting here are necessarily Christian; taste in music and the extent that a belief has been proven true or valid are separate issues. You may have a point. But prejudice could be cried by atheists at "religious songs" and "favourite songs" would have been started in a different forum. What was your thread (its position is no longer juxtaposed with this one) and what did the irony consist of? There does not seem to be that much close-mindedness on display here. Still, if you feel there is, what would your preferred title for this topic be? You could always start a thread with this title. I hope I have not offended you Corvus.

Of course, from a wide range of religious and non-religious positions there will be some comments that will be considered prejudiced by some and not by others.

My favourite Christian songs? This is a difficult decision. Perhaps "To be a Pilgrim" "Lord of the Dance" "At the Name of Jesus," "Be thou My Vision," "A new commandment I give unto you," and quite a few others. I do not like decisions as to preferential order as a rule.


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11 Apr 2007, 8:47 pm

AlexandertheSolitary wrote:
My favourite Christian songs? This is a difficult decision. Perhaps "To be a Pilgrim" "Lord of the Dance" "At the Name of Jesus," "Be thou My Vision," "A new commandment I give unto you," and quite a few others. I do not like decisions as to preferential order as a rule.

I like those too.

By the way, "The Lord of the Dance" actually came from the Hindu dancing god. But we Christians gave it a Christian twist -- to good result.

I get choked up half the time I sing "Here I Am Lord" in church.



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11 Apr 2007, 9:28 pm

generally not a fan of religious music but when i was in church growing up, i like the music for via dolorosa. though i think the song is much better in latin rather than in english (which is way too clumsy of a language for such a lavish song).



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11 Apr 2007, 11:34 pm

TimT wrote:
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My favourite Christian songs? This is a difficult decision. Perhaps "To be a Pilgrim" "Lord of the Dance" "At the Name of Jesus," "Be thou My Vision," "A new commandment I give unto you," and quite a few others. I do not like decisions as to preferential order as a rule.

I like those too.

By the way, "The Lord of the Dance" actually came from the Hindu dancing god. But we Christians gave it a Christian twist -- to good result.

I get choked up half the time I sing "Here I Am Lord" in church.


I was aware that "Lord of the Dance" or Natarajah was one of the titles of Shiva. I am not sure if the author of the hymn of the same name was drawing directly on that tradition; dance may be one of the univeral images, like light, flame or wind, for attempting to describe God. Some of our fellow-Christians have at times been fond of borrowing and putting a Christian spin, particularly on festivals. Is the hymn you refer to drawing upon Isaiah 6, where the prophet volunteers "Here am I, send me," only to be given a thoroughly discouraging message about the people ever seeing but not comprehending, ever hearing but not understanding, and making their hearts fat lest they see with their eyes, hear with their ears, comprehend with their hearts and turn and be healed? The book of Isaiah is a beautiful work.


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12 Apr 2007, 1:31 pm

No, the author of "Lord of the Dance" had been fascinated by Natarajah at one time and deliberately translated the idea over to Christianity. Harmless. I read about that in a magazine about ten years ago.

There's a lot of music that has been brought over by converts. I recall whistling an old hymn in my car when a witch who was commuting with me broke into song in Gaelic. It had originally been a witch hymn! I countered that it had been brought over by a Christian convert from witchcraft.



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12 Apr 2007, 1:33 pm

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generally not a fan of religious music but when i was in church growing up, i like the music for via dolorosa. though i think the song is much better in latin rather than in english (which is way too clumsy of a language for such a lavish song).

Aw, skafather, are you getting sentimental on us? Yes, I like that as well.



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TimT wrote:
No, the author of "Lord of the Dance" had been fascinated by Natarajah at one time and deliberately translated the idea over to Christianity. Harmless. I read about that in a magazine about ten years ago.

There's a lot of music that has been brought over by converts. I recall whistling an old hymn in my car when a witch who was commuting with me broke into song in Gaelic. It had originally been a witch hymn! I countered that it had been brought over by a Christian convert from witchcraft.


Or the Wiccans may have borrowed it from the Celts; neopaganism has a particular interest in the Celts. It could have been the tune to a Gaelic rendering of a psalm, given fresh words by a different Christian. Or it could have been sung since Druidic times for all I know. Interesting though. I suppose a good tune is not disdained on sectarian grounds, thank goodness.

Has anyone heard about the Cele De or Culdees, Celtic Christian monks in Ireland and Scotland? Both the Christian author of historical/fantasy novels, Stephen Lawhead, and the nonChristian and quite possibly neopagan, (but sympathetic to "heretical" Christians) author of the same genre Caiseal Mór seem fond of them. One reference book considered them lax; another noted their spirituality. Once when I looked them up on the internet, the first three entries were by an evangelical Protestant (Church history in the light of the book of Revelation, mmm, delicious) a Catholic (a revived Culdee movement also known as the Order of the Celtic Cross) and a Wiccan (I did not get around to reading this last). Sorry for going off on a tangent. I hope someone found that interesting. Sometimes the diversion is half the journey. I wish you all well, and apologise to Corvus for anything that may have offended.


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13 Apr 2007, 4:51 am

TimT wrote:
skafather84 wrote:
generally not a fan of religious music but when i was in church growing up, i like the music for via dolorosa. though i think the song is much better in latin rather than in english (which is way too clumsy of a language for such a lavish song).

Aw, skafather, are you getting sentimental on us? Yes, I like that as well.


you act as if the candid nature of my response was something new. i'm candid in all my responses.....sorry...i'm just honest. i'll admit when i'm wrong but not beyond being proven wrong.



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13 Apr 2007, 4:58 am

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No, the author of "Lord of the Dance" had been fascinated by Natarajah at one time and deliberately translated the idea over to Christianity. Harmless. I read about that in a magazine about ten years ago.

There's a lot of music that has been brought over by converts. I recall whistling an old hymn in my car when a witch who was commuting with me broke into song in Gaelic. It had originally been a witch hymn! I countered that it had been brought over by a Christian convert from witchcraft.


Or the Wiccans may have borrowed it from the Celts; neopaganism has a particular interest in the Celts. It could have been the tune to a Gaelic rendering of a psalm, given fresh words by a different Christian. Or it could have been sung since Druidic times for all I know. Interesting though. I suppose a good tune is not disdained on sectarian grounds, thank goodness.

Has anyone heard about the Cele De or Culdees, Celtic Christian monks in Ireland and Scotland? Both the Christian author of historical/fantasy novels, Stephen Lawhead, and the nonChristian and quite possibly neopagan, (but sympathetic to "heretical" Christians) author of the same genre Caiseal Mór seem fond of them. One reference book considered them lax; another noted their spirituality. Once when I looked them up on the internet, the first three entries were by an evangelical Protestant (Church history in the light of the book of Revelation, mmm, delicious) a Catholic (a revived Culdee movement also known as the Order of the Celtic Cross) and a Wiccan (I did not get around to reading this last). Sorry for going off on a tangent. I hope someone found that interesting. Sometimes the diversion is half the journey. I wish you all well, and apologise to Corvus for anything that may have offended.


I have Heard of the Cele de or Culdees, they have a facinating tale to tell, and to be honest i feel they acted far more christian than the Romans that came and slaughtered/subjugated in the name of Christ.

i believe they hold to the true light, though in recent days they have been reverting to the more Pagan aspects... time will tell


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13 Apr 2007, 12:12 pm

i have to post this one... i cant resist it, LOL

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SswiYEXZrIg[/youtube]


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14 Apr 2007, 2:49 pm

If only it were that easy ....

You ought to read the thread on exorcism in this forum.



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16 Apr 2007, 10:52 am

TimT wrote:
If only it were that easy ....

You ought to read the thread on exorcism in this forum.


i know only well how difficult it is... but i found this video Hilarious... so i posted it


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18 Apr 2007, 5:48 pm

i just LOVE this song by Evanescence -:

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sUYeZY_Tesw[/youtube]



i love their other stuff too :D


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24 Apr 2007, 10:36 pm

I don't know about favorite songs but there are definitely some artists I enjoy:

Saviour Machine
Lost Dogs
Adam Again
Mortification
Audio Adrenaline

Oh, and speaking of Christian-themed albums, listen to some of the other songs on Point of Know Return by Kansas. Especially "Portrait (He Knew)". Tell me he wasn't singing about JC there.

And Corvus, your punishment for attempting to sabotage this thread with a debate/challenge bomb is to be locked in a closet with 20 Jehovah's Witnesses.



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25 Apr 2007, 7:19 pm

UnclScrewtape wrote:
I don't know about favorite songs but there are definitely some artists I enjoy:

Saviour Machine
Lost Dogs
Adam Again
Mortification
Audio Adrenaline

Oh, and speaking of Christian-themed albums, listen to some of the other songs on Point of Know Return by Kansas. Especially "Portrait (He Knew)". Tell me he wasn't singing about JC there.

And Corvus, your punishment for attempting to sabotage this thread with a debate/challenge bomb is to be locked in a closet with 20 Jehovah's Witnesses.


It did not really strike me as sabotage as such; in the philospophy politics and religion forum debate should be encouraged, dversions from the original thread topic should be allowed within reason as well...


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