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Thats even worse then. At least christians have a point behind talking crap, anti christians should know better.

I'm no anti-Christan.

I just follow the tenants of LaVey Satanism.

i somewhat agree with revenge and weak people ideas...i think they're portrayed strongly because that was lavey's nature to be dramatic. but there is a good point to it in terms of not wasting your energy devoting yourself to weak people who just bring you down in the end. as far as revenge goes...it depends on what revenge entails.

i actually follow the law of retaliation along with "do unto others as you would have them do to you." kind of a two step process for me...step 1, be nice. step 2, ??? step 3, profit. but seriously, generally treat people nice and return in kind to how they react (basically letting them set up the level of engagement). maybe not entirely how lavey would apply but i think it's best.


as far as the whole anti-christian thing....nah, it's more that the philosophy appeals to me and already fit in with most of my attitudes.

Ad hominem "to the man/human" attacks are indeed wrong, but as evidence of the alleged moral inferiority of the religious in relation to atheists rather undercut by their equal use by atheists. As I have noted elsewhere recently, the demonisation of one's opponents, or worse still of all members of some category to which a single opponent belongs, is a serious issue. This demonisation of the other has been the prelude to many of the atrocities of history.

Of course, an issue may arise as to what is demonisation and what is valid criticism, something that might be assumed to be readily discernible to common sense, but in practice can have a strong subjective element varying between individual's responses to any given comment. What are the thoughts of others in response to this?

As a Christian, we are not to judge those outside the Christian body. We are only to judge those inside the Christian body -- but first praise and correction. In 2 Peter, we are not to return evil for evil or reviling for reviling, but on the contrary, return blessing for evil. Jesus told us to pray for them that persecute us. I would also add that that we can pray deliverance for them and their property as a blessing as well.

I must admit I find it hard to do when I am slandered and ridiculed in post after post. It reminds me I need to pray for more sanctification. We are supposed to "count it all joy" when we are persecuted and that's a tough one. I've got to use a ""cut free" prayer I have, to keep myself from becoming like my persecutors.

As for an appeal to "common sense", that assumes there is a common belief from which to derive a common understanding. For atheists there is no beliefs at all! Back when I was one, it was simply lie, cheat, steal, whatever -- just don't get caught.

*pats him on the head*

Aww, it's soooo cute when they express such generalizations!

Have a cookie son but don't forget to use spellcheck in the future!

This thread title borders on the offensive.
I'm no Satanist, not by any means, but
it is an established religion in my country
(US). We don't have threads singling out
and titled as deliberate flames against other
established religions on this site, and I think
it is not the time to start. Please reconsider
the title.

Otherwise I get creative freereign over the title.

And trust me, you don't want that to happen.

I find it pretty sad how much Aspies complain about being mistreated and abused by NT's when they do it to other Aspies themselves. We are all human and have different views and beliefs - you don't like someones? That's fine, but don't be aggressive or a bigot towards them and get this superior, know-all attitude.

You are doing the thing you profess to hate.

Take note:
People can be moral without having a religion

Being religious doesn't mean you are close-minded or ignorant, to think so means you are.

Nobody's opinions are more right or valid than anyone else's, so respect that equality of ideas.

Thankyou. And remember that we are all in this together.

QFT

I was addressing the Christians out here. I would rather have God's "well done, good and faithful servant" to any pats from your hand.

I can sympathize with Pender2; he was defending me for what he saw on the Exorcism strand. But God is judge over all and sees all. His mercy does come to an end and justice is eventually meted out to the last speck. We Christians above all should know better than to get in the way of His justice.

I will continue to pray blessings for everyone on wrongplanet.net.

Thank you for your response, especially the scriptural references. However, atheism and immorality (and above with your former life as an atheist, possibly amorality, the lack of a sense of right and wrong as distinct from immorality's immoral behaviour while being aware of it) are not synonymous, and you are generalising from your own preChristian experience. It simply is not empirically objkectively true that all atheists are devoid of principles. You will no doubt concur (though others here may disagree) that all human beings, Christians included, have sinned and fallen short of the glory of God, but that is not the same as having no beliefs whatsoever, ethical or propositional. In any case, common beliefs are not relevant to the reference to common sense, which in any case was contained within a statement acknowledging a difficulty in avoiding offense in dialogue, but referred simply to a rational agreement to engage in dialogue while avoiding malicious verbal attacks. Are you not slandering the atheists, of whom there are many on Wrong Planet, in stating or strongly implying that all have an ethical system confined to material consequences to self? I have seen few slanders of you worse than that (by the way, your honesty in confessing to your past life of crime is greatly appreciated; i hope no one will take advantage of it to attack tyour credibility). Of course, Flagg and others might wish to individually post concerning their separate or possibly shared ethical systems, and if anyone's corresponds to TimT's description maybe I should apologise for describing their philosophical system as an insult, though I probably will not.

I have sometimes wondered whether an atheist doing a good deed without thought for an afterlife is not rather more admirable than a theist if the other's motivation were to be solely the hope of Heaven and fear of Hell. Of course, given justification by faith you may point out that it is not so in Christianity at all (though the characterisation of the other two Abrahamic faiths, or indeed some other religions generally, as "works based" is flawed; in any case as James says, faith without works is dead) and that good deeds are the fruit of salvation rather than its cause, and this is ani important point. While justified, we probably both ahve a fair way to go towards full sanctification (sorry about the theological jargon; the distinction is between made right with God and made holy; feel free to correct my definitions, TTimT or AspiefortheLord or anyone).

wrong topic....transfering posts...

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Thank you for this thoughtful call to harmonious coexistence. However, in response to your statement of the equal validity and correctness of ideas, I would like to express some qualification. I believe that there may be a valid concern that relativism if taken to extremes would start to lose all logical consistency. Would a view that one's worldview should be enforced at the point of the sword (NB this is not directed at any single religious philosophical view, nor does it apply to the whole of any one of most views)be equally right with views advocating dialogue or persuasion?

Anyone with good role models and good training can be good. I know pagans who are emotionally better off than some Christians I know because of the difference in upbringing. It takes a while to find out if the person is morally going uphill, coasting or going downhill.

I hadn't given Christianity any thought until a priest told me in catechism to think about my faith. I did so. I dumped what I knew because it didn't hold water. Now that I am a Christian on a solid ground, I disciple all the church-goers around me so their weak faith won't fail like mine did.