Sexual Assault by Another Person w/ an ASD Dx

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What exactly would you like society to do about the issue of an innocent person being accused of sexual assault and/or harassment exactly?

It is unfair and it hurt the person wrongfully accused but if we disbelieve the victim that also causes issues.

Not sure if this is the right place to debate this, it seems is going to be innapropriate and you would probably hate my answer, a moderator might delete it if they like, but here it goes...


Respecting due process, pressumption of innocence, cross-examination towards the witnesses and acussers (which makes then uncomfortable I know) as well towards the defense side, weight of evidence, reasonable doubt, these are important things. One problem I find is the usual argument that false acussations are "extremely rare", which I don't really buy and in my opinion may result in a false confidence and put the pressumption of innocence on a lower standard when it comes to this type of crimes, which by definition pressumption of innocence is skepticism towards any accusation and the consideration of the possibility that the accusation of the current case could be false and it should be always treated as such rather than "is extremely rare".


Is that a real dilemma though and should it be? I could understand what could be for an actual victim when an accused is set free for lack of evidence presented, after all "not guilty" does not necesarily means "innocent" (yeah the "not guilty" veridict implies they might not be innocent) but also a wrongful conviction is very scary, considering that men convicted of rape get raped in prison, and from what I get, constantly, not just once but everyday for the rest of their term because they don't have anywhere else to go, whether the convicted is guilty or not, for the guilty is kharma multiplied, sure, for the innocent, not so much.

I never reported anything because I couldn't speak about it and because I am a guy, I thought I probably wouldn't have been believed and when I think about it, I didn't have actual evidence, no witnesses other than my word, on the other hand, with metoo and such that would probably have being enough but...uhg.....yeah, not an easy answer to me, I keep thinking WHAT IF I have recorded the events. So I have no real answer really, does that mean we have to throw away standards of evidence and pressumption of innocence as the only alternative? I don't think we should.

I think it's natural the legal approach - to determine possible guilt and right course of action about the perpetrator - differs a lot from therapeutic approach - to help repair and heal damage the victim/survivor suffered.

In particular, the latter doesn't care for guilt or intentions, damage done is all that matters from this point of view.

I think it's natural the legal approach - to determine possible guilt and right course of action about the perpetrator - differs a lot from therapeutic approach - to help repair and heal damage the victim/survivor suffered.

In particular, the latter doesn't care for guilt or intentions, damage done is all that matters from this point of view.

It is unfair and it hurt the person wrongfully accused but if we disbelieve the victim that also causes issues.

Presumption of innocence is for jurors tho.

I think the common citizen is gets to think what they like regarding someone’s charges.

I don’t know exactly how you expect society to change in this respect.

I thought of responding this with the therapeutic approach, therapy for the victim regardless if the accused was found guilty or not guilty.


Yes.


When it comes to due process and presumption of innocence what the common citizen thinks shouldn't matter, no influence on guilt, and guilt should never be democratic, a reminder that direct democracy is never a good thing.


More like the justice system not to be influenced by public opinion, movements and ideologies that try to weaken pressumption of innocence while at the same time everybody enjoying free speech, because free speech is the freedom to express absurd ideas.

People don’t have sympathy for someone accused of anything like sexual harassment or assault.

The bottom like is this, once your behavior (or what others perceive about you) crosses a line they don’t want to deal with you.

And there is a chance you will be placed somewhere where you will be taught in a direct way about boundaries.

Evidence can be a lot of things too.

Yes I noticed that, whether that someone is guilty or innocent, people lose sympathy regardless.


On the contrary, they would want to deal with you.


Teaching about boundaries is always good no matter guilt.


Except allegations.

Your view on this is not changing. Mine isn’t either.

Hell no, I have always supported the value of skepticism towards any allegation and the presumption of innocence before and after being sexually harassed and I hope that never changes.

Well if I was a friend to you and I was sexually assaulted and you expressed this I would likely cut you off.

Rightly so, and a very obvious thing to happen. So, no, it would be a BAD idea to express such a thing infront of you unless I would be a complete as*hole and a complete imbecil and that would also mean that the friendship wasn't genuine.

From this standpoint, being a friend of mine I should be supportive, knowing you very well as a friend, I would think is very unlikely this is false or a mistake because I would tend to trust you. This is about being cautious towards a person you know nothing about and a person who is known for creating false rumors, in that case the skepticism (bear in mind that skepticism does not equal denying) can be justified.

And yes, I can somehow understand some frustration because of attitudes and I can even understand the #believeallwomen thing (having had smiliar experiences I have some idea of what is like) but I also see the repercusions:


^ That's pretty much my stand.

And yep, there are, you could say toxic attitudes from both ends.

And I could ask you the same question, if you and I had a great friendship and suddenly I was accused of sexual misconduct, after: "losing sympathy towards an accused" I can imagine where the friendship goes from there.

I can’t disagree with what you have quoted. But again, the court takes a lot into account.

And a friendship continuing would depend on if I thought you could do such a thing. And if I think you did it.

You probably dislike this answer.

It also mentions schools and the workplace.


No I don't, I think is a fine answer.

Not sure if this is the right place to debate this,