I don't want my third vaccine

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17 Dec 2021, 8:16 am

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I have read that the stronger your immune system is the more likely you will suffer with unpleasant side effects from the vaccine. My immune system is very strong, even when I get an ear infection or a bladder infection it just fights itself off and goes on its own within 2 days. I'm hardly ever ill. The last time I got the flu I only had it for about 5 days, followed by deafness and a bad cough, which didn't last that long. So my boyfriend's niece might have had too strong immune system for the vaccine. I don't think they should force people with strong immune systems to have the thid vaccine, I think 2 vaccines should be enough for us. Having a vaccine every 3 months surely isn't healthy?

I also heard that the Pfizer can cause vomiting as a side effect if you have it for your third shot -

Those of you here who have had the third shot - do you consider yourselves to have a strong, healthy immune system? My boyfriend's immune system is weak and he has COPD and diabetis, so he had no side effects from all 3 of his vaccines. I just had body aches and a sore arm with my second shot, but it only lasted a day. The sore arm isn't pleasant but I can cope with that. After all, I am a woman and we get periods once a month so we're kinda used to pain.


Vaccine side effects seem to be pretty random in whom they strike from what i can tell. Where are you getting your data/information (just curious to see)?

I will be the first to admit that I don't have the best immune system (I have chronic health issues and am pretty prone to getting sick). When I get the flu, I am sick for up to a month. It is TERRIBLE. That being said, I had some pretty nasty side effects PARTICULARLY from the second dose of Moderna. The worst of it lasted for 1.5 weeks, but I was unable to do much for 2 weeks.

My partner, on the other hand, has a very robust immune system. He has barely been sick in our entire relationship (we have been together for 22 years). When he does get sick, however, he has a very strong reaction (very high fever, inability to even move or think, etc). He had a very mild reaction to Moderna shots (1&2). He felt like crap for about 36 hours after the second Moderna shot but was recovered fully after that.

My older sister has a strong immune system as well. She had very little reaction to any of the Moderna shots (she had her booster a month ago). I think she said she had a slight headache with some fatigue, but she still went and did her normal exercise routine a day after.

My mother has a suppressed immune system (on multiple medications), and she had zero reaction to her boosters. Not surprising at all really.

My best friend, who is still recovering after having kidney cancer, had a slight reaction to her first two Pfizer shots. She will be getting her booster this weekend.

My partner and I are registered to get our boosters on Christmas Eve (appointments are booked solid in my area). I'll let you know how we fare. If it is any weight off of your mind, boosters typically contain half of the dose of the other shots, so you may have less side effects as a result.

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About the nausea/vomiting, this is once again a rare side effect, but I understand your concern. Ask your pharmacist if it is okay for you to take a diphenhydramine/benadryl if this side effect comes on. Gingerale and ginger chews are also very helpful!


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17 Dec 2021, 8:34 am

Joe, it's best to ask about taking an antisickness pill when you go for the vaccination - they should be able to advise.

My immune system sounds like yours: I've not had anything worse than a mild cold in years, and minor infections mostly go away quickly on their own.

As I said earlier it's not possible to make your immune system too immune. Maybe it's easier to visualise these vaccines as being weapons aimed at slightly different invaders?

It's an unfortunate thing that the side-effects tend to get the noisiest promotion - no-one makes the news for having no issues; bad news/scandal/fights/sex are what sells newspapers, after all.


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17 Dec 2021, 8:39 am

My immune system is pretty robust, too.

I haven't had more than a mild flu-like thing for half a day (and that was after the 2nd Moderna shot). I haven't missed work at all.

With my booster, hardly any side effects at all; a couple of hours of wooziness. Less side effects than either of the two previous shots.



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17 Dec 2021, 10:12 am

I had something like SARS back at the start of 2019 although I didn't go to the doctors with it. It lasted weeks so covid terrifies me because I know how ill I was back then. Apart from that though i reckon my immune system is pretty average. I can shake off a cold quite easily and the SARS thing was the only time in my life where I've had serious flu like illness.


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17 Dec 2021, 2:59 pm

I've had my Pfizer booster shot. No symptoms...just like when I got the first two shots. I felt a little cheated, I had a back-of-my mind suspicion that it meant my body kind of ignored the shots. If my body had reacted to the shots I would've been more confident my immune system was responding appropriately.

How is my immune system? I have a natural talent for getting respiratory illnesses, always have. When I was quite young I had pneumonia like nine times. (Sometimes milder pneumonia is called "walking pneumonia" but I was around eight years old so it more resembled "running pneumonia." I'm sure my parents were quite concerned the first few times; later they were just annoyed I was sick and missing school again.)

Despite all that, I haven't been getting seasonal flu since I retired. I stay home a lot.

And, Joe90, I'm also glad you're getting the booster shot. And I think your scheduling of it sounds like the best possible approach to coping with the likely symptoms...good idea! However, since you might not feel like shopping for a few days, stock up in advance...especially on treats!

Oh, I'm also waiting to hear whether you get the unicorn horn this time. We'll all want to see pictures! And wasn't there talk about maybe growing a third arm? If you go that route maybe grow a fourth arm, also, since gloves come in pairs. :)


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17 Dec 2021, 6:32 pm

I'm having anxieties about covid right now and I keep wanting to never go outside until spring, because even my own family are getting covid now. My two aunts have been tested positive, but they've not had their third jabs yet. But one of my aunts is rather ill with covid, I phoned her today and she was coughing so bad she couldn't hardly talk, and she sounded so weak and unwell. My other aunt isn't as bad, she had flu-like symptoms for a day or two and only a mild cough, and the only thing she has now is a temperature (but her 10 days of isolation aren't up yet so she's still obviously isolating). This is the first time anyone in my immediate family have actually had covid since the pandemic began. So I think eventually everybody on the planet are going to get covid no matter how hygienic and careful you are. So it'll be my turn soon. I just hope my boyfriend doesn't fall ill with it. Are people with COPD and diabetes still protected if they have had 3 jabs?

I've just lost my mum (due to cancer), I can't lose any more family members. I'm feeling emotionally vulnerable at the moment. When will it be my turn to get covid? :(


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17 Dec 2021, 7:10 pm

Keep doing the right stuff. That's what you're supposed to do.

My bride and I have had a few of our kith and kin catch COVID though only two had trouble getting past it. I don't know who was or was not vaccinated.

-=-- One had trouble for some time due to it but I think the latest news is she's past it.
-=-- One was hospitalized but is out now. (Pretty good for a guy in his 90s!)
-=-- One, unfortunately, did not get past it. She passed away. She was a nice lady.

Of the others who've had it and recovered OK, I think they all recommend not getting it. (Except a 12-year old who apparently had no symptoms. It was her adult relatives that were scared.)

But you know what symptoms you're likely to have. Plan to relax for a few days. Stock up on treats so you can stay home and happily reward yourself after you get the shot. (Oh, I suppose stock up on practical food, too. When you're not eating or sleeping you'd probably enjoy WP more than going to the market.)

The third (and fourth?!) arms won't grow in that quickly so it'll be awhile before you can use them to pat yourself on the back.


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17 Dec 2021, 10:24 pm

I don't know if this makes you feel better but my mum and I got no symptoms. I was surprised because my previous shots made me sleepy and my mum got sick for four days after her booster. Try to take some pain killers if you do get it and try to prepare beforehand for a cosy day/few days.

I get it can be scary but I'm happy that even if you don't, you at least are being careful. I wear a mask and face shield. I use to wear two masks but I have a breathing problem now unrelated to anything to do with covid.

I hope you and those you love are/stay ok!



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18 Dec 2021, 4:44 am

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Us refuseniks seem to be alright in the UK so far, unlike in Germany and Austria where they are toying with the idea of mandatory vaccination and Australia who appear to be nonchalantly constructing concentration camps for the unvaccinated.

I don't tell lies about your country so don't tell lies about mine.


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18 Dec 2021, 5:01 am

I figure just get the booster shot, if you have been ok getting the first two you'll probably be fine. Me and my boyfriend are figuring when to go get ours just got to find when we have time. But yeah we'd prefer to have all the vaccines, so it is safer to interact with people on a more casual basis. We are trying to get into some warhammer table top gaming though I have to finish at least what I am working on which is battle sisters for warhammer, basically like battle nuns but yeah they are a fun project I've been working on so I have a team I can play in some of the games. but for sure may be mask wearing required even when we are ready to try and play with other people.

Anyways we will get the jab, we got the first two and it was fine and if the booster is available now we figure we may as well get it just to be on the safe side. I suppose it is up to you at the end of the day but if you have been ok with the first two...than it should be just fine.


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18 Dec 2021, 4:27 pm

I'm a bit scared again, there are a lot of people against having the third jab and people are saying having too many jabs in one year is causing blood clots. I'm scared it might happen to me. But I'm scared of not having the third jab because people who have only had 2 jabs are getting ill from covid where as the people who have had 3 seem to be OK with it.

And they're saying people will be having a forth jab 3 months after their third. Why do we have to have a jab every 3 months instead of once a year like the flu jab? Is it safe to keep having vaccines? Does the world health organisation understand this?

I have a feeling I'm going to die from the third vaccine. :(


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18 Dec 2021, 4:31 pm

You won't die. Who are these people saying these things anyway?


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18 Dec 2021, 4:41 pm

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You won't die. Who are these people saying these things anyway?


It's all over Facebook. Yes, I know you'll automatically associate the word Facebook with lies and stories but it isn't always the case. Lots of people seem to be dead against the third vaccine and I don't know why. Have you heard anything on the news about people having severe life-threatening reactions to the booster?

I'm thinking of talking to my doctor, to put my mind at ease.


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18 Dec 2021, 4:48 pm

I only heard about possible blood clots with the AZ vaccine and they were extremely rare but the boosters are either Pfizer or Moderna.

I've seen nothing on the news about adverse reactions to the boosters.


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18 Dec 2021, 6:09 pm

Hundreds of millions of vaccine shots have been administered. My Dad is 91 and he's gotten the jabs. And they're giving them to young children, too. The medical professionals are very happy with the vaccines and...unless your doctor says you cannot get the vaccine...you should get the vaccine.

The U.S. Center for Disease Control and Protection's web site says the Johnson & Johnson vaccine has caused a very small number of recipients blood clot problems. "Very small" as in 16.4 million doses of that vaccine have been administered in the U.S. and six people died at least in part due to blood clotting. If you're still concerned, just get one of the other vaccines. (But no matter which vaccine you get, be careful going to and from the vaccine site. You are probably in more danger of death or injury while traveling to and from the vaccine site than you are from the vaccine.)

CDC wrote:
Thrombosis with Thrombocytopenia Syndrome (TTS)

Thrombosis occurs when blood clots block blood vessels. Thrombocytopenia is a condition in which a low blood platelet level interferes with the formation of blood clots.

As of November 24, 2021, more than 16.4 million doses of the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 54 confirmed reports of people who got the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and later developed TTS. TTS after Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination is rare.

A review of reports in the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System (VAERS) indicated that the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine did, very rarely, cause TTS, and has caused, or directly contributed to, six confirmed deaths.

To date, two confirmed cases of TTS following mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Moderna) have been reported to VAERS after more than 437 million mRNA COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States. Based on available data, there is not an increased risk for TTS after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination.

Women ages 50 and younger especially should be aware of the rare but increased risk of this adverse event associated with the Johnson & Johnson/Janssen vaccine. There are other COVID-19 vaccine options available. Learn more about Johnson & Johnson/Janssen COVID-19 vaccine and TTS.

How rare is 6 out of 16.4 million? Flip a coin and get heads. Flip it again and get heads again. Keep flipping the coin over and over and keep getting heads. Flipping 23 consecutive heads is more likely to happen than something with 6 out of 16.4 million odds.


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18 Dec 2021, 6:38 pm

The vaccine won't kill you, nor will the virus any time soon or ever (the same for almost all of us).

No one knows if there's cumulative damage from the vaccine; in theory, there should be to some extent if they're given at short intervals as they are quite reactogenic (see how those prone to heart inflammation get it more after their second), but this damage should repair itself fine. There's quite a spectrum of damage however, and most will be very mild or mild local/systemic and nothing serious. In an ideal world and if someone was worried about such things, one would avoid both, simply because there's no real data (hard to make an accurate informed decision when one doesn't have all of the variables), but sometimes there's no actual good choice, just the less bad one. The vaccine is the less bad one if one is concerned about the virus.

A doctor will tell you the risks versus rewards favors the vaccine in most instances (they literally will). If they're being honest, they'll say it might be a little different when it comes to kids.

Coronavirus antibodies don't last long. 3-12 months is generally how they go, and reinfections often happen within 12 months if exposed (often far sooner). For the vaccines here, 3 months seem to be when they work alright against stopping infection (at least pre-Unicron), then they go downhill when it comes to that. The antibodies protect from infection/reinfection and often do the heavy hitting if there's not enough of them to prevent infection (immune memory doesn't offer a dramatic impact upon reinfection for coronaviruses, but it does help and will reduce the chance of a more severe outcome). We're lucky SARS-CoV-2 doesn't follow its other family members when the antibodies are often more harmful than not upon reinfection, or even just actually harmful on their own (ain't that a thing). Though, SARS-CoV-2's antibodies might be harmful in their own way (good chance they're the cause of or a contributor to severe illness during infection there); the vaccine antibodies are slightly different, which seems to avoid this, but it also makes them a little less potent 1 for 1 upon virus challenge. If I were worried about SARS-CoV-2, I'd get the booster, and since you were fine with the other two, you have evidence you aren't prone to heart inflammation or other rare serious adverse events (autoimmune stuff from the high reactogenicity for example).

WHO knows everything there is to know, and they know things they'll never tell us about the virus (you may just be getting a vaccine for a vaccine, for example), just as our governments won't. I'm not a fan of any "official" mouthpiece nor will I trust them simply because I know they lie for their own goals and to protect themselves, and also to sell you things to help against the things they themselves caused.

I personally don't think the vaccines will do much against Unicron no matter how many someone has had when it comes to preventing infection. It's too divergent compared to the late 2019 spike antigen. It'll lower severity though (hopefully to a decent amount), as there'll be cross-neutralization, and the closer the last dose, the better this will be.

Unicron may be less severe. Though, this will be more apparent at the individual level, and not so much at the collective one due to mass vaccine failure/reinfections.

I'm not worried about the virus though, but I like to think I can remain objective in the face of my own feelings.