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10 Feb 2023, 10:58 am

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They make far more noise than we ever do, and they're most probably too busy making a noise to hear any noise we might make.

I don't bang on the ceiling every time they make a noise, only once in a blue moon. And it's only to give them the message that we hate their constant noise.

I just feel like I can't enjoy my living-room any more unless I wear headphones all the time. People think it's easy to live with headphones on forever but there are some activities where you need to be aware of sound and are unable to wear headphones. I suppose it's OK if you're a non-verbal autistic who is limited in what they can do, but I'm not.

It's 1am and they're banging above right now. It sounds like they're scraping objects along the wall or something. But I think they're just sweeping the bedroom, a highly unnecessary activity to be doing at this hour, and I don't want to hear excuses like "maybe their bedroom gets really dusty and they need to sweep it several times a day or night", because...no, they're just f*****g jerks.


When neighbour noise became a serious issue for me, I ended up being on high alert 24/7 and I became even more noise sensitive than normal. After I moved to where I am now, I was still expecting to be disturbed at any moment and for the first few months every noise outside would trigger me until I quickly realised it was a passing car stereo or somebody just opening their garage.

You can have bad neighbours anywhere, but I would imagine that the larger the city, the greater the chance you're going to get people who just don't care. One of my grandparents lived in a flat in a village for about 10 years and had no issues at all.

I've gone through deaths of close family members and divorce, but on a day to day basis over a period of time, neighbour noise was the worst in terms of me not being able to handle it and it taking complete control of my life.



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10 Feb 2023, 1:36 pm

I've been fortunate to only ever live in detached houses with good neighbours next door. Well, ok, mostly - until I was a year old we lived in an apartment, and at the house I grew up in at one point a bunch of undercover cops with guns drawn arrested the tenants that were next door for a bit for running a chop shop & stealing cars with their tow trucks. But even they were silent!

Many people I know in apartments/condos have complaints about neighbours.. and the lower the price of housing, the higher the probability of crappy neighbours. Seems a bit odd that poor people wouldn't also appreciate peace and quiet, but, some of them are poor because their neurological makeup doesn't enable them to be peaceful or quiet.. sooo, they're bad neighbours. Sucks for others just trying to live their lives. Some make noise, others complain about every little thing.. nice to avoid all that if at all possible - which is why IF I move, even if I have to move twice, the goal is to rent an entire house and then sublet the remaining space so that *I* control who's there and don't have to live beneath a landlord that might be nosy or crappy and have stupid ideas of how they think they can control how other people live their lives. Of course I want a peaceful home and would be a decent tenant even with a landlord upstairs, it's just a better situation to be the one in control of the whole place.


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11 Feb 2023, 12:23 pm

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When neighbour noise became a serious issue for me, I ended up being on high alert 24/7 and I became even more noise sensitive than normal. After I moved to where I am now, I was still expecting to be disturbed at any moment and for the first few months every noise outside would trigger me until I quickly realised it was a passing car stereo or somebody just opening their garage.


This is what it's like for me. I don't want to listen out for it, but my brain just picks it up like a WiFi signal - even when I'm preoccupied with an activity like ironing or something.
This morning it was unusually quiet up there so I got out my colouring book to finish off my colouring, but about 2 seconds into it I heard bomping above my head. So there literally is no peace in our apartment. I'm always feeling nervous when I've not got earplugs or headphones on. I feel this is preventing me from relaxing in my own home. I feel I'm not even living.

I would move, but me and my boyfriend have learnt that whatever you want to do in this life you are forced to do online, and every time we ever try to do something online it's always so complicated. You end up going round and round in circles and never get anywhere. So that is what puts both of us doing anything any more.


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11 Feb 2023, 4:43 pm

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When neighbour noise became a serious issue for me, I ended up being on high alert 24/7 and I became even more noise sensitive than normal. After I moved to where I am now, I was still expecting to be disturbed at any moment and for the first few months every noise outside would trigger me until I quickly realised it was a passing car stereo or somebody just opening their garage.


This is what it's like for me. I don't want to listen out for it, but my brain just picks it up like a WiFi signal - even when I'm preoccupied with an activity like ironing or something.
This morning it was unusually quiet up there so I got out my colouring book to finish off my colouring, but about 2 seconds into it I heard bomping above my head. So there literally is no peace in our apartment. I'm always feeling nervous when I've not got earplugs or headphones on. I feel this is preventing me from relaxing in my own home. I feel I'm not even living.

I would move, but me and my boyfriend have learnt that whatever you want to do in this life you are forced to do online, and every time we ever try to do something online it's always so complicated. You end up going round and round in circles and never get anywhere. So that is what puts both of us doing anything any more.


We were not designed to live like this, boxed up together with complete strangers. They're literally in the next room that just happens to not have a door for access. You're basically sharing your living space with them.

I couldn't have gone on much longer where I was. I'd already lost my head and it reached the point where I had my property damaged, abusive notes posted through my door and it almost came to blows, which made my decision for me, I felt I had no choice but to get out. It was actually the 2nd bad situation I'd found myself in, it was 3rd time lucky.

I think you mentioned that you live in the London area, so there can't be many places away from the South East that are as expensive. For a similar rent/price you could probably find somewhere quite pleasant in a medium sized town, but that would mean changing jobs unless you're able to commute. Sounds like you do need hope though and some prospect of getting out one day, even if it isn't practical in the foreseeable. I think you need to project a future that's better and not resign yourself to being stuck there, which is a necessary step to making it happen. Nobody is going to turn up at your door out of the blue and say "here's the keys to a new house in paradise", you've got to set the wheels in motion. However slow they turn is progress.



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11 Feb 2023, 5:04 pm

I live in Essex.

My boyfriend reckons they'll move soon, but I can't see them moving. It seems they don't work, and it's cheap living here, and they have nobody above them making a noise, and they're lucky to have non-violent neighbours (us) living below who are quite civil to them and don't want to cause trouble no matter how much we hate them. They'll probably stay there til the kid's in college. And they'll probably breed more, so soon there'll be like 3 kids bomping about above us all the time, and you know how much us entitled childless couples aren't allowed to complain about precious little children because "they're just kids" and "they can't help it" and all that s**t. So any noise is unbearable, oh but when there are precious little darlings that sound like a herd of elephants coming through your ceiling, that's an entirely different thing that MUST be tolerated and endured and that you must have "empathy" for them and all that bollocks.

The more I think about that, the more I WILL move. I wish there was a thing with apartments where each block had its own set age group, so that everyone can be satisfied. For example, having some blocks of apartments that are for people that don't have children or aren't planning on having children. I think living below a family is the WORST, because you don't have the right to complain about children's noise so you have no choice but to put up with it. At least with troublesome neighbours who have antisocial behaviour can be dealt with by the landlords. With families you've just got to let live, which can be distressing when you have an ASD, ADHD and anxiety disorder.


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13 Feb 2023, 7:29 am

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I live in Essex.

My boyfriend reckons they'll move soon, but I can't see them moving. It seems they don't work, and it's cheap living here, and they have nobody above them making a noise, and they're lucky to have non-violent neighbours (us) living below who are quite civil to them and don't want to cause trouble no matter how much we hate them. They'll probably stay there til the kid's in college. And they'll probably breed more, so soon there'll be like 3 kids bomping about above us all the time, and you know how much us entitled childless couples aren't allowed to complain about precious little children because "they're just kids" and "they can't help it" and all that s**t. So any noise is unbearable, oh but when there are precious little darlings that sound like a herd of elephants coming through your ceiling, that's an entirely different thing that MUST be tolerated and endured and that you must have "empathy" for them and all that bollocks.

The more I think about that, the more I WILL move. I wish there was a thing with apartments where each block had its own set age group, so that everyone can be satisfied. For example, having some blocks of apartments that are for people that don't have children or aren't planning on having children. I think living below a family is the WORST, because you don't have the right to complain about children's noise so you have no choice but to put up with it. At least with troublesome neighbours who have antisocial behaviour can be dealt with by the landlords. With families you've just got to let live, which can be distressing when you have an ASD, ADHD and anxiety disorder.



There is a reasonable possibility that they will move out and be replaced with somebody who doesn't spend so much time indoors and isn't so noisy when they do. If your current neighbours had more kids, they'd presumably need more space and that might force them to move.

In my case it turned out my terrible neighbours did me a huge favour by forcing me out, because I ended up in a far better place which I'd never have got if I'd had somebody more tolerable living next door. From being woken up by people clomping up and down their stairs at 5:30am, I now wake up when I'm ready to the sound of birds outside with fresh air blowing in off the countryside. From looking out at nothing but grim old terraced houses, I now look out across hills and fields with sheep and woods. There is a better life out there for anybody who needs one, but you've got to be motivated enough to look for it and make it happen. Sometimes that requires bad situations becoming worse.



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13 Feb 2023, 8:33 am

Usually homes near the countryside are more expensive, because it counts as luxury. Most people, even some extroverts who like people, would pick a house or apartment in a peaceful area looking out at fields and woods and hearing animals instead of humans if they were given the choice. Usually the cheaper places to live are the "make do" places, such as apartments close together with other apartments that mainly house unemployed people with no respect (NOT saying all unemployed people are disrespectful, I just mean people who choose not to work and are sloppy and inconsiderate).


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13 Feb 2023, 9:17 am

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Usually homes near the countryside are more expensive, because it counts as luxury. Most people, even some extroverts who like people, would pick a house or apartment in a peaceful area looking out at fields and woods and hearing animals instead of humans if they were given the choice. Usually the cheaper places to live are the "make do" places, such as apartments close together with other apartments that mainly house unemployed people with no respect (NOT saying all unemployed people are disrespectful, I just mean people who choose not to work and are sloppy and inconsiderate).


I'm on the edge of a town, I don't have to walk far to be in a very working class area, I go through it on my way to the shops. My area is mostly detached, as my house is, but mine is old, small and in a bit of a sorry state, which made it affordable. I worry about repair issues, but most of the time I'm not thinking about that and I'm just getting on with my hobbies or going out for walks in the fields and over the hills with the amazing views and on to beautiful local villages, which has an incredibly positive effect on my mental health.
If one of my adjoining elderly neighbours dies, I could be unlucky and get somebody awful moving in, but the probability is fairly low.

Most towns have some sort of tourist attraction, even if it's only a local church or just the shops. You could use that as an excuse for day trips around local towns to get a sense of the place. See if it feel much nicer than where you are, ask yourself if you could live there transport/doctors/etc wise. If yes then look into what's available. I nearly moved to the seaside having done just that, but it was family ties that put me off moving too far away. Living by the sea with the sea air must be fantastic.



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13 Feb 2023, 9:51 am

We live in a semi detached house, our immediate neighbour, who is very, very nice, was quiet for years. Let's call him John.

Then last winter, John started playing very loud music every evening. As I know him, I asked him about it and he said he was going through a very bad time and it helped him cope. So we said he could come round for Sunday lunch anytime if he's lonely. He didn't but he was grateful for the offer. I found out his bad time was because he'd split up with his girlfriend of 5 years or so.

Then she came back into his life recently, about 3 months ago. And last Saturday morning, about 4-5am, John and she had a screaming row, slamming doors, shouting, running into the street. My friend said it was probably drink-fuelled but it seems a bit odd to be drinking at 4am.

So now we're hoping our nice, quiet neighbour won't be doing this on a regular basis.

Such a pity, as the lady before him was nice and quiet too. We'll see.


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13 Feb 2023, 9:53 am

Yep.....I don't like fighting and screaming at 4 AM, either.

I once lived below a gay couple who threw furniture at each other at all hours of the day. No kidding! Fortunately, that was almost 40 years ago.



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13 Feb 2023, 10:09 am

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Yep.....I don't like fighting and screaming at 4 AM, either.

I once lived below a gay couple who threw furniture at each other at all hours of the day. No kidding! Fortunately, that was almost 40 years ago.


I'm going to have a word with John if he does it again. It's not like him at all. We could almost hear everything they said!


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13 Feb 2023, 10:10 am

It's too bad they got to that point....



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13 Feb 2023, 1:15 pm

That is sad ,, to have to watch and witness the after effects of such situations .


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14 Feb 2023, 8:44 am

We were pretty worried so we stayed awake to check they didn't start killing each other or something so we'd have to call the police. They've been pretty quiet since but I think they are still alive...

The girlfriend is quite strange, she has never spoken to us and runs indoors if she sees us in the garden. I'm not even sure what her name is, after 5 years! John however, is nice and friendly, and has helped us numerous times e.g. when we had a power cut and he didn't, he let us put our frozen food in his freezer. He also trimmed our hedge for us when my husband's mum died, just so he could do something to make our lives easier.


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14 Feb 2023, 8:46 am

You're a better neighbor than I :)

I need my sleep. I have to go to work in the morning. I would have fallen asleep, rather than wait up waiting for them to argue or not argue.

(I am retired....but only from one job).



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14 Feb 2023, 8:49 am

We didn't have much choice as they were very loud right next to our bedroom and outside. We fell asleep when they went quiet though. But I didn't want to find out the next morning that they'd murdered each other.


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