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10 Feb 2023, 5:00 am

Norman is also a conservative.



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10 Feb 2023, 7:59 am

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I am not sure what the BLM insurrectionists achieved

Much more acceptance of defining racism as a group thing centered on white privilege. Much more acceptance in the cooperate world of "antiracist" training which is often racist against whites because it is assumed to be a negative characteristic of a group. Near universal acceptance of the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion". Equity means a goal of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Like "Black Lives Matter", the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion" is almost impossible to argue against without sounding like a racist. At this point, it is hard to tell how much of the acceptance of DEI is virtue signaling and how much is resulting in harm. A lot of this predates BLM, and is stuff that is not a BLM focus. However, it is hard to imagine this amount of acceptance of these concepts in such a short period of time without the Black Lives Matter movement. Love 'em or hate 'em it was a stunning political achievement.


On the other hand Antifa is overrated. They are a few hundred people attacking anybody they deem fascist. The only reason they are overrated is that conservatives blame them for everything. They have not been blamed for the rise in Autism prevalence YET. On a more serious note, there's a popular online poster showing WWII soldiers and the phrase something like "This is anti-fascism". The attempt at comparing Antifa with the soldiers who took down Nazi Germany is one of the most offensive things I have seen.


From what I gather, Antifa appears to be a modern incarnation of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).


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10 Feb 2023, 8:31 am

SDS was less prone to violence, it seems to me.

Members of SDS were "radicals"---but they sought discourse and peaceful protest, rather than violence.

SDS had fringe members who were into violence; but, probably a higher percentage of Antifa is violent than SDS.



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10 Feb 2023, 9:47 am

Tim_Tex wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am not sure what the BLM insurrectionists achieved

Much more acceptance of defining racism as a group thing centered on white privilege. Much more acceptance in the cooperate world of "antiracist" training which is often racist against whites because it is assumed to be a negative characteristic of a group. Near universal acceptance of the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion". Equity means a goal of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Like "Black Lives Matter", the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion" is almost impossible to argue against without sounding like a racist. At this point, it is hard to tell how much of the acceptance of DEI is virtue signaling and how much is resulting in harm. A lot of this predates BLM, and is stuff that is not a BLM focus. However, it is hard to imagine this amount of acceptance of these concepts in such a short period of time without the Black Lives Matter movement. Love 'em or hate 'em it was a stunning political achievement.


On the other hand Antifa is overrated. They are a few hundred people attacking anybody they deem fascist. The only reason they are overrated is that conservatives blame them for everything. They have not been blamed for the rise in Autism prevalence YET. On a more serious note, there's a popular online poster showing WWII soldiers and the phrase something like "This is anti-fascism". The attempt at comparing Antifa with the soldiers who took down Nazi Germany is one of the most offensive things I have seen.


From what I gather, Antifa appears to be a modern incarnation of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).


The antifa were originaly a militant wing of the communist party of Germany before the Nazis took power. They are marxist scum who in some places arround the world are often heard chanting names of dictators like Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh etc. Their job is apparently to streetfight fascists. Which is cool for me. I'm happy to see antifa and fascists kill each other.



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10 Feb 2023, 12:44 pm

I don’t find Marxists to be all scum.

I find them to be misguided. They have a simplistic view of “class struggle,” and don’t see people as being individual persons.

Under Marxist dictatorships, Marxists did do very scummy things, however.



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10 Feb 2023, 1:31 pm

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I did not put the usual the wokes are bad also in. I have wrote wokes bad/wokes bad also enough times that people should know I am not woke. Wokes bad also is a defensive maneuver unfortunately needed because of the zero sum game thinking predominant. I was reacting to a criticism of Right Wing Republicans not Democrates.


Ironically, when you're only criticizing 'the wokes' you don't get smeared as lacking balance. It's almost like some people expect you to call things even regardless of reality, rather than voice valid criticisms.

It's not as though your history of criticism for 'the wokes' isn't widely known to posters on here, which makes it look like the real goal of the criticism you're receiving is that you're focusing on a problem with the right instead of pretending like the problem is equally distributed.

But what about all the attempted coups from the left? Not that Trump's coup was an attempted coup, it failed therefore it couldn't have been serious so let's talk about the woke instead of the totally-not-a-coup or it's supporters because taking a fair approach always means focusing critiques towards the left.
- paraphrasing our favourite enlightened centrist


Always the one to protect the left.
I can't recall any other than progressive politics from you.
I bet your leftist testicle that you ONLY support left-wing policies.
You are hardly a proper representative of balanced commentary. 8)


I don't claim to be "balanced" because I know none of us are. I just like pointing when others are also obviously biased, especially when they insist on claiming otherwise.

At least I understand how to be honest about where I stand instead of pretending to be "balanced".


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10 Feb 2023, 1:34 pm

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I find this statement more than a little ironic when you consider left-wing interference in the skooling system.
Brainwashed individuals have their freedom of thought taken away from them, no? 8)


got any evidence? from what I understand, CRT isn't taught until college in the US. There is some loony stuff produced by Disney though.


One word: Bruce Pascoe.
OK, two words. :mrgreen:


Doesn't ring a bell?


He is the fake aboriginal that is introducing fake news in the skooling system.


Who are you to gatekeep who's aboriginal and who's not? :roll:


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10 Feb 2023, 1:42 pm

Tim_Tex wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am not sure what the BLM insurrectionists achieved

Much more acceptance of defining racism as a group thing centered on white privilege. Much more acceptance in the cooperate world of "antiracist" training which is often racist against whites because it is assumed to be a negative characteristic of a group. Near universal acceptance of the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion". Equity means a goal of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Like "Black Lives Matter", the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion" is almost impossible to argue against without sounding like a racist. At this point, it is hard to tell how much of the acceptance of DEI is virtue signaling and how much is resulting in harm. A lot of this predates BLM, and is stuff that is not a BLM focus. However, it is hard to imagine this amount of acceptance of these concepts in such a short period of time without the Black Lives Matter movement. Love 'em or hate 'em it was a stunning political achievement.


On the other hand Antifa is overrated. They are a few hundred people attacking anybody they deem fascist. The only reason they are overrated is that conservatives blame them for everything. They have not been blamed for the rise in Autism prevalence YET. On a more serious note, there's a popular online poster showing WWII soldiers and the phrase something like "This is anti-fascism". The attempt at comparing Antifa with the soldiers who took down Nazi Germany is one of the most offensive things I have seen.


From what I gather, Antifa appears to be a modern incarnation of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).

SDS had goals they wanted to accomplish not just being anti fascist.
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10 Feb 2023, 5:31 pm

funeralxempire wrote:
Who are you to gatekeep who's aboriginal and who's not? :roll:


That's a popular passtime here in Australia



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10 Feb 2023, 6:57 pm

What about the goons on the left? They obviously know that the pen is mightier than the gun for pushing their agenda. :skull:



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10 Feb 2023, 7:25 pm

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What about the goons on the left? They obviously know that the pen is mightier than the gun for pushing their agenda. :skull:


Oh no! you mean their agenda for pushing for a safe, egalitarian society and a sustainable planet for everyone? how shocking...



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10 Feb 2023, 7:28 pm

cyberdad wrote:
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What about the goons on the left? They obviously know that the pen is mightier than the gun for pushing their agenda. :skull:


Oh no! you mean their agenda for pushing for a safe, egalitarian society and a sustainable planet for everyone? how shocking...


More like a safe society for castrated human sheep.



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10 Feb 2023, 7:30 pm

Oh and don't forget the part about ridding the entire world of the "white devils" by blackwashing history. :twisted:



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10 Feb 2023, 11:04 pm

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Oh and don't forget the part about ridding the entire world of the "white devils" by blackwashing history. :twisted:


Huh? 8O


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10 Feb 2023, 11:47 pm

kraftiekortie wrote:
SDS was less prone to violence, it seems to me.

Members of SDS were "radicals"---but they sought discourse and peaceful protest, rather than violence.

SDS had fringe members who were into violence; but, probably a higher percentage of Antifa is violent than SDS.


Extreme leftists have morphed from "Tree Huggers" in my youthful days to "In Your Face" aggressors these days.
However, I have read there is colour grouping in Antifa. Each colour group indicates the degree of violence the person is prepared to get involved with.



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Dengashinobi wrote:
Tim_Tex wrote:
ASPartOfMe wrote:
Pepe wrote:
I am not sure what the BLM insurrectionists achieved

Much more acceptance of defining racism as a group thing centered on white privilege. Much more acceptance in the cooperate world of "antiracist" training which is often racist against whites because it is assumed to be a negative characteristic of a group. Near universal acceptance of the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion". Equity means a goal of equality of outcome rather than equality of opportunity. Like "Black Lives Matter", the phrase "Diversion, Equity, and Inclusion" is almost impossible to argue against without sounding like a racist. At this point, it is hard to tell how much of the acceptance of DEI is virtue signaling and how much is resulting in harm. A lot of this predates BLM, and is stuff that is not a BLM focus. However, it is hard to imagine this amount of acceptance of these concepts in such a short period of time without the Black Lives Matter movement. Love 'em or hate 'em it was a stunning political achievement.


On the other hand Antifa is overrated. They are a few hundred people attacking anybody they deem fascist. The only reason they are overrated is that conservatives blame them for everything. They have not been blamed for the rise in Autism prevalence YET. On a more serious note, there's a popular online poster showing WWII soldiers and the phrase something like "This is anti-fascism". The attempt at comparing Antifa with the soldiers who took down Nazi Germany is one of the most offensive things I have seen.


From what I gather, Antifa appears to be a modern incarnation of SDS (Students for a Democratic Society).


The antifa were originaly a militant wing of the communist party of Germany before the Nazis took power. They are marxist scum who in some places arround the world are often heard chanting names of dictators like Stalin, Mao, Ho Chi Minh etc. Their job is apparently to streetfight fascists. Which is cool for me. I'm happy to see antifa and fascists kill each other.


While I am a pacifist, I tend to agree.
More oxygen for the rest of us. :mrgreen: