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17 Sep 2023, 6:20 pm

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She didn't even say goodbye.

Good riddance is more like it.


I now recall that you mentioned you had some bad dealings with some of your family.


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17 Sep 2023, 7:17 pm

If I had a terminal ,painful , debilitating illness then I would consider it an option.
I don’t want to linger bedridden.


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17 Sep 2023, 7:21 pm

blitzkrieg wrote:
IsabellaLinton wrote:
She didn't even say goodbye.

Good riddance is more like it.


I now recall that you mentioned you had some bad dealings with some of your family.



She was my exhusband's mother.
Not "my family", but his.
I haven't spoken to any of them in 20+ years.

I don't understand why some people would have mercy on a suffering animal but not a human.


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17 Sep 2023, 9:19 pm

I like that it exists as an option.


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17 Sep 2023, 9:49 pm

Terminally ill, okay.

Being in so much pain you can't live a normal life, okay.

But allowing anyone to end their lives for any reason, not okay. This can lead to legal genocide. People with disabilities or other mental illnesses may decide to end their lives because they have lost hope and feel life isn't worth living due to lack of support. The system would be set up for them to end their lives because they feel this is their only hope. Imagine how many other people be ending their lives because they are poor or don't see life worth living because they have to basically work 24/7 to keep a roof over their head and they are stressed out and burnt out. Just no.


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17 Sep 2023, 11:51 pm

yes...to Euthanizing persons..only by their own wishes . But the important thing to recall ...i feel .Is Change.
things always change. good or bad ,, things change.Sometimes just hanging in for another day might be what could
be needed . Personally had it been offered at some of my darkest times, Would have gladly done it. But
there was no offer of mercy . Except ECT at one point .And that was no answer . So another day went by and another...And here i am in a better spot . Still operating the same brain as before, But with different coloured filters
of life now. :|


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20 Sep 2023, 6:52 am

I'm staunchly against euthanasia and assisted suicide. I feel that every life is worth living and I feel discouraged by the fact that there are disabled people who want to live who are being killed like animals by ignorant, ableist doctors by the needle because their entitled parents are embarrassed to have a handicapped child.


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20 Sep 2023, 8:03 am

I agree that it could be misused, and that safeguards should be put in place for it not to be, but for me it would be an extremely important option to have, and it really isn't available except in some very unusual cases (depending on the country, but it's not easily available anywhere). I think it's awful that we don't have the autonomy to decide something so fundamental: whether we want to live or die.

In theory people can just choose to end their own lives, but that is a very difficult thing to do that not everyone has the courage or ability to carry through, and if someone is sick or feeble it might be impossible. Personally, I would give anything not to have to go on living, and I have felt this way for decades, so I don't think it will change or that my life will suddenly become rosy. And yet I have to keep slogging through my painful life, which is a sentence like prison.

Ideally, if it were possible, I would choose not to have existed at all. That would be my greatest wish.

I do feel bad for the people who care about me and how it would affect them, and it does give me pause, but I would still rather die. I don't consider this to be at all dark, just a logical choice given how painful and difficult life is.



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20 Sep 2023, 2:41 pm

CockneyRebel wrote:
I'm staunchly against euthanasia and assisted suicide. I feel that every life is worth living and I feel discouraged by the fact that there are disabled people who want to live who are being killed like animals by ignorant, ableist doctors by the needle because their entitled parents are embarrassed to have a handicapped child.


Parents aren't able to have their children put down out of shame or inconvenience. That's not a thing that's happened in Canada.

Do you think I'm incapable of making the decision to end my life?


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20 Sep 2023, 4:35 pm

I used to think it was really a problem that people couldn't check out if they really wanted to.

To a degree I still do but I'm more aware now, particularly listening to some of the discussions around Canada's laws on this, that it's something that can have a lot of strange effects on common law and I think the biggest reason people have always fought against it is that if the state can put people to death who haven't committed crimes it could also erode the checks and balance to euthanize political dissidents (could you imagine for example the UK government saying 'Yeah, Julian Assange has been increasingly depressed, he asked to be euthanized so we helped him').

I don't think the above are problems with euthanasia itself but with just how untrustworthy the human animal is (especially given power or underhanded motivations) and this seems like the kind of thing that would be easier to move along if we had something superior to ourselves, like AI, as a check against our willingness to misuse / abuse pretty much anything that can be misused or abused for power.


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20 Sep 2023, 4:49 pm

Canada offers euthanasia to people like it's bubble gum. They sincerely want fewer people on their dime. My sister-in-law works in geriatrics and she said doctors are pushing the elderly to sign euthanasia every day, because of the doctor shortage. She knows several families who talked their elderly parent into signing and then collected on their life insurance. The government sends letters to anyone who has served in the military ("you managed to stay alive and get home .. would you like us to kill you now?"), to mental health patients, and to people with chronic illness involving pain.

I support assisted suicide ideologically but this is getting ridiculous. Autistic people will be next, I'm sure. I'm retiring in February so I'm expecting a letter any day now, so they won't need to pay my pension.


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20 Sep 2023, 4:59 pm

As others have pointed out, pro-euthanasia policies can have an effect on both cultural attitudes towards the death of the elderly and other folk who are perhaps marginalised in some way.

I think the best solution to this cesspit of cynicism is to withold such a power from anyone or anything, unless it is sincerely warranted.

The topic reminds me of this clip:


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20 Sep 2023, 11:41 pm

I will do it myself when the time comes.
Can’t afford a trip to Switzerland.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euthana ... witzerland


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20 Sep 2023, 11:51 pm

I don't get why "most" people are still choosing to go on living these days, even if they are young and physically healthy. The world is doomed and there's nothing to look forwards to. I read that most people end their lives because of financial reasons, and we're on the verge of another Great Depression and WWIII.

Of course, I don't know why I really choose to go on living, either.



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21 Sep 2023, 12:04 am

I don't get why death is so glorified in today's culture.


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21 Sep 2023, 12:05 am

For the next fresh donut and good coffee.


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