men create more housework for women

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First of all, if you read my prior posts to this thread I specifically addressed the issue of married women who work either out of necessity or out of personal choice and how many times must I say that I have NO Problem with that! That is THEIR CHOICE as it should be(in the western world and here in the USA where women are NOT required to marry and have children if they dont wish to do so).Until recently, civilization and culture has been based on division of labor; post-industrial capitalism has assigned the role of breadwinner to men and women were designated to be homemakers. The original purpose of 60s feminism was to give women the FREEDOM OF CHOICE about the role they play. It just so happens that right now in the US the unemployment rate for women born after the early 70s is Lower than for men of the same age!Aridarr-you speak as though American women are somehow forced to have children or somehow coerced into doing so but this is simply not true . The originator of this thread were a married homemaker with kids and her hubby was being a total SLOB and making extra work for her or she were a working mother and the Hubbs couldnt be bothered to pick up after himself THEN she actually would have something to complain about but since she aint even married and has no kids, she doesnt have a leg to stand on.

Maybe, unlike you, she cares about other people - maybe she feels kinship and sympathy with women forced into such a position. And, like I just explained, it is often an inescapable situation for women due to the undeniable inequality between the sexes when it comes to reproduction.

Being given "choice" does not mean sexual equality if the "choices" women are faced with are more difficult than those of their male counterparts.

Anyway, you've already admitted you are biased - a misogynist. Why should I listen to you?

So are you saying that because of the inescapable inequality when it comes to sex and reproduction that women should get extra societal privelidges just because they are female?? You see, I am not in favor of that. What Im in favor of is men and women having equal rights and the freedom of choice. Part of the freedom of choice means that you have to live with the choices you make(I am NOT talking about the abortion issue here-just to clarify). If someone who happens to be a woman makes a bad choice and is in a situation not to her liking-then WHY should she be exempt from being responsible for her actions?
I realize that perhaps you and Lonelylady think that a man should do ALL the work-that is: earn a living AND keep the house clean and orderly(and maybe even care for the kids mostly) while the women just indulges herself. A Lot of men work their ASSES off to care for their women-even if they arent married. So its really just plain fair if the women works and contributes as well. But maybe you dont truly believe in fairness and equality, maybe what you want is a matriarchy where men slave away and put women on pedestals.......if thats the case then I really have nothing to say other then dont act so dismayed if there are men who want their gender to be on top.So you see, I really DONT feel sympathetic towards Other people who have a sense of entitlement. WHY should they be entitled to something they did nothing to earn and not I?

That's like saying "Why does a person with broken legs deserve a free ride in a wheelchair?" Life is more complex for women because of certain aspects of our bodies that we are unable to change, and in order for us to gain true equality (freedom to live our lives the way we choose - to be independent) we do require extra consideration. It's not about wanting to laze around the house and do no work - on the contrary, it's about wanting to be out there earing our own way in the world on equal terms with men. You don't like it? Live with it.

From what you're saying you require Quite a Bit MORE than just "extra consideration". I mean, what you have just said is that you(and other women who think the same way)feel entitled because you are female. What I am saying is that I refuse to recognize your or ANY One elses sense of entitlement to More than me because of something thats not within their control. You see, on principle I very much OPPOSE inherited social priviledges. I realize that life is somewhat more complicated for women in that regard but thats just Tough s**t! It aint mens fault so why should they compensate for something they have no control over???Now if I were female and I met a man and we got engaged and he made it clear that he felt Entitled to More than his fair share just cuz he's a man I wouldnt stand for it! Thats my policy towards women-I wont put up with a woman who thinks that she's entitled not to do an equal share of the work thats involved in a marriage plus a house(plus kids if we decide to have 'em)just because she's a woman! The whole idea of playing the "victim" card and claiming entitlement is to Trick people into giving you More than you're fair share; and I am NOT falling for that trick .Why does that make me a bad person for having enough self-respect to not let someone manipulate me? It really has NOTHING to do with the fact that Im a man, it has to do with the fact that I am a person who WILL NOT be submissive to ANYONE else-no matter What their issues are and no matter what group they happen to belong to.

Last edited by D1nk0 on 11 Apr 2008, 7:59 pm, edited 3 times in total.

I now pronounce you Man and Wife!

You may kiss and make up.

Yeah I second that I think D1nk0 and Aridarr would make a great couple.

Weddings are so beautiful.

LOL

I'm gonna marry my gf someday =D
We already split up the house chores 50-50 =P
Because I suck at the half she does not suck. Convenient!
I LOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOVEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE HEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEER

Duly noted.

¿Qué? Apuleyo missed the english class that teached the word "duly"

Good I want my future wife to clean my poop up.

Too lazy to wipe your own ass?

All you are doing is exposing your own meanness and bitter attitude. You argue the case for your personal feelings, I argue for the welfare of my entire gender.

What I am saying has nothing to do with "entitlement" (whatever the hell that is supposed to mean in this context) just the fact that women should be allowed to work and live equal to men, which does require extra thought by the society in which they live. Employers need to show more flexibility in their willingness to promote and hire women, and make allowances for them if they should choose to start a family.

In certain jobs, women will not be allowed to continue working if they get married. A man in their position may continue work after marriage. Does that sound equal to you? Women are often held down and prevented from progressing in their careers due to the fact that their employers expect that they will one day become pregnant and be forced to abandon their jobs to become mothers. A man can start a family at no detriment to his career; allowances and special conditions need to be made to enable women to continue to work in the same way, as having a baby is such an earth-shattering process for a woman. That is what I mean by "consideration", and it is still a rare thing, if it exists at all.

This inability to earn on equal terms with men prevents them from being truly free and independent. A woman often has no choice but to stay at home and do menial tasks, a sheltered and unfulfilling life.

Women don’t yet have “their fair share”.



Only if you let me use the strap-on on our wedding night.

WHAT jobs are women not allowed to continue working if they get married?
What about the FAMILY & MEDICAL LEAVE ACT of 1993? This thread wasnt a complaint about workplace policy toward married women it was a complaint by a unmarried, childless women about how men allegedly slack off in terms of housework. She also falsely promulgated that women "wipe your ass" and that American women are essentially "enslaved" by marriage. I'd really like to here from Her again on this thread.

and don't forget the manwhich.

OK, I'll leave you two in private. Sounds like it's getting serious!