The evil troll that is organised religion

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OK, I'll strike that off God's rap sheet. However, what about flooding the world and drowning everyone apart from Noah. I'm adding genocide to the list. I think God's heading for death row on that one He'd better have a good lawyer. I understand satan is supposed to be the best advocate, but not sure he'd represent God.

well, I get that definitions may have been changed from their original meaning due to social/political changes, especially when it comes to pop culture, so it could be said that some definitions which have originated long ago, their intent to their meaning would have been adapted to go along with contemporary views, however the term homophobia seem to have been originated in the 50's and first used in the 70's, which seem to fit in some cases, given some views about the term:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/hom_phob.htm


However, I don't deny that any term may have different uses, not always properly, as in ad hominem attacks.

This page is also interesting
http://skepticsannotatedbible.com/women/long.html

Welcome back by the way.

From all the population, children and babies were included in the massacre, really, taking the account from the Genesis story, no child at all seem to have survived the flood, the only 8 survivors, were adults, if I'm correct, at least from the literal interpretation.


Hussein or Bush.

I think it was a mistake to have left the witnesses alive in the massacre, if no one would have survived, no one would have known about the incident and a lot of trouble, repercusions and controversy would have been avoided.

I have a JPS translation Tanakh here if you would like to provide some references.

Thanks Greenblue.

well i am sure they changed it in the translation

Dragonflies do not need feathers. You are obviously now arguing to argue. Either way, morality again is a CHOICE whereas wings (with or without feathers) is NOT.

well, I think the question at hand would be if dragonflies don't need feathers, should that apply to birds as well?
it seems to illustrate the wolves vs humans thing, from my perspective, but I could be wrong as I am just meddle in


Animals don't seem to need it, but for humans, it seems to be a different thing.


well, if you mean that morality is not a natural process as wings and feathers, I would say yes, however, human cognition is a natural process and I believe that to be very related to the existence of moral codes for behaviour, something that wolves wouldn't be able to because of their nature, IMHO.

That is precisely what I am getting at.

Anyway, even if people don't need religion for social cohesion, it does not follow that religion did not evolve for this purpose, which is how this all began.

The human mind and its psychology is an apparatus shaped by evolution; we cannot expect unlimited flexibility from it.

Religion tends to bring out the best and the worst of human nature. For religious reasons, people do some very bad things but also some very good things.

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I never said that I didn't think religion evolved. I think it did. It's very obvious, even from the Old Testament to the New Testament, it evolved. That's what some people refer to as Progressive Revalations meaning God introduces things to our level (from eye for an eye to turn the other cheek). I personally think it's really a lot like what Catholicism has been teaching me on it, that basically man is stupid and that's why God keeps forgiving us (whereas angels, like Satan, know everything, the beginning, the end, every aspect of their decisions, etc., and God cannot forgive them when they sin if that makes sense).

What I was saying is that I don't think IMO that morality could be introduced naturally. There had to be some sort of supernatural intervention just to introduce the concept because it goes against human nature and instinct. Whether it be God or the aliens that helped designed the pyramids, whatever, something larger than life had to introduce it. You can't tell me in a matter of 5-10,000 years, we evolved this way completely naturally when it takes a hell of a lot longer for us to evolve otherwise. It just sounds to me that it's got to be something more like the story of Moses introduced moral law to the people, and it took thousands of years before those laws got into place and organized. Maybe the reason why we have so many "ethical" based laws is because of the church's influence in history. It wasn't like it is today, back then, the Pope ruled the world. Religion evolved in the same way civilization has as well as technology, human brain type thing, which isn't evolution as much as we just kept upping the bar every century as we still only use a very small percentage of the brain, and there's a lot more to it than that, but I'm not trying to write too much as I get many complaints for it. But it's more like we chose that evolution as opposed to nature choosing for us. Nature chose two legs, two arms, and that we walk and not crawl or fly or anything. We choose to fly in the aircraft we designed and built. We choose civilized society (which is more of us pretending not to be the vicious savages we are by lying about it, and I mean that like people legally die everyday, and corporate america legally steals from me everyday, etc.). I just don't see it as the same evolution process it took us from apes to man. I see it more as our brains are a muscle, and we chose to work it and that's what we got now. Part of it was the church ruling the world, and then a part of it is also us taking the power away from the church and the reformation and all that jive (or we'd still be paying indulgences which isn't exactly moral). Yeah it's kinda natural, but not in the sense of evolution as much as just as natural as a team of people getting together and evolving into getting to know each other and being an actual team rather than a group of strangers.

And my hubby just walked in, and I don't have time to edit or even check if this made any freaking sense, so sorry but I'm posting, but I hold the right to change anything in this post.