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08 Sep 2008, 7:00 pm

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On what authority do you speak for all Atheists?

God's?

Shall I post a string of laughing 'Smilies' or would you settle for a simple 'ROTFLMAO'?


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08 Sep 2008, 7:43 pm

This thread has officially become asinine. :roll:



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08 Sep 2008, 9:22 pm

Fnord wrote:
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On what authority do you speak for all Atheists?

God's?

Shall I post a string of laughing 'Smilies' or would you settle for a simple 'ROTFLMAO'?

Whatever makes you more comfortable.


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10 Sep 2008, 8:37 am

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This thread has officially become asinine. :roll:

It's been that way from the time it was posted.



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11 Sep 2008, 7:20 pm

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Seriously, some people need lives, and would do well to stop generalising religion as bad. Every other thread seems to be about devout atheists taking religion literally. Dogmatic, fanatical atheists suck, and they let the more rational moderate atheists and agnostics down. By condemning religion at every turn, and simply believing everything that condemns religion, you are blinding yourself. Maybe some morons should try to be tolerant, and not act like they know the answer to everything. Instead of ranting on about how religion is the source of all the world's problems, perhaps the individuals in question - yes, you all know who you are - should study the world and social systems more, and make their own personal opinions, not believe everything that they are spoon fed, by any form of media or social group.
"Atheism seems cool and radical, so I'm going to become an atheist!!" Same applies to "new age" religions and philosophies. As teenagers, we are too susceptible to these things. That said, it's natural for young people to experiment. Just don't expect things to change just like that unless you are prepared to take radical action. Look at the 1950s-80s to see what I mean.
You aren't going to change religious beliefs by quoting scriptures literally, or by rabidly attacking theists. It doesn't work that way. You can't just say that "God does not exist!! !!", it just alienates people. Learn some respect and understanding. =)
Theism is flawed. Atheism is flawed. For the record, I'm agnostic.


agnosticism is flawed 8)


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11 Sep 2008, 8:12 pm

Religion is deception and manipulation.


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11 Sep 2008, 8:18 pm

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Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?


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11 Sep 2008, 9:32 pm

greenblue wrote:
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Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

Well it definitely does deceive people and it also manipulates people, so he's on the ball there.



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11 Sep 2008, 9:41 pm

By nature?


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12 Sep 2008, 1:25 am

z0rp wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

Well it definitely does deceive people and it also manipulates people, so he's on the ball there.


religion does or people do..?



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12 Sep 2008, 1:59 am

Of course, a religion without people would avoid a good many problems but there is a certain amount of impracticality about the concept.



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12 Sep 2008, 2:43 am

ShawnWilliam wrote:
z0rp wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

Well it definitely does deceive people and it also manipulates people, so he's on the ball there.


religion does or people do..?

Religion.



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12 Sep 2008, 9:07 am

z0rp wrote:
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z0rp wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

Well it definitely does deceive people and it also manipulates people, so he's on the ball there.


religion does or people do..?

Religion.


It's the people using religion as a context. Religion is not inherently at fault here.



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12 Sep 2008, 9:33 am

Err yeah I actually agree this time.


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12 Sep 2008, 9:35 am

So, is Fnord a moderator now?



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12 Sep 2008, 10:15 am

slowmutant wrote:
z0rp wrote:
ShawnWilliam wrote:
z0rp wrote:
greenblue wrote:
Fnord wrote:
Religion is deception and manipulation.

Is that an opinion or a fact?

Well it definitely does deceive people and it also manipulates people, so he's on the ball there.


religion does or people do..?

Religion.


It's the people using religion as a context. Religion is not inherently at fault here.

Well not all religions are designed to manipulate and deceive people, but in the end they do. The deceitful part you can see rather easily see as they all generally do deliberately mislead people in one way or another, big or small. As for manipulation, I didn't review that properly in my average rush posting if religion is used as a means to manipulate someone it requires a puppeteer, so you're right that's not religion itself.