What things do you think shouldn't have been invented?
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Bad round, or because of Kennedy?
I feel like Oswald would have just used some other rifle if the Carcano wasn't available to him.
Mainly because of JFK and also because it was enemy round in World War Two. I agree with you. I wouldnt mind shooting hogs with 6.5 Carcano if I ever get one or maybe a deer if I ever find good hunting ammo.
I feel like it's pointless hating any specific round, because it's inevitable your foes will have some sort of round. Worse-case scenario, you magically remove one round out of existence and your foe ends up accidentally adopting an even more effective round prematurely due to lacking the more conservative option that was adopted in our timeline (like say, a proper intermediate cartridge during WWII era, instead of the 60s like happened for real).
I'm not sure if this counts, but I wish 7.62x45 Czech became the Warsaw Pact standard, instead of 7.62x39 Soviet. I don't really care if that requires the Soviet round to not be invented, or just not become ubiquitous.
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Did anybody mention marketing yet? I'd feel better off without that. I'd rather have a system where the manufacturers just had plain boring catalogues with objective information for people to actively look at when they wanted something, instead of this thing where I'm supposed to just sit there while sellers try to put ideas into my head whether I want them or not. I was reading something by a salesman who said the whole idea of selling things to people is wrong and that it's the buyers who are the real active agent and that the sellers should just passively and impartially answer their questions as fully and honestly as they could.
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I think in its original form it was pretty much compulsory. I guess things have improved a bit since then but there are still a lot of people who feel obliged to pay it. It's better than a flat rate of course, but I think there should be an income threshold below which they shouldn't expect them to pay anything, and a tithing credit system wouldn't be a bad idea in principle, though there'd probably be a lot of atheists turning up saying they'd got religion.
But yes, I think they should just leave it up to the individual what, if anything, they wanted to pay. I don't know who invented tithing. I don't think it was Jesus.
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It's a marginally better round, and I made a fantasy round based on it ages ago.
I think it works better in a lot of civilian applications where the 7.62 Soviet is sometimes used, like say harvesting deer. Not to say that the 7.62 Soviet isn't adequate.
There's thousands of little changes I'd make to various military procurements over the years. Another example that comes to mind is giving the MiG-27 a reasonable autocannon instead of the absurdly OP one it carries for real. I prefer my strike aircraft to not have random important things break when the gun is used.
Or F-23 > F-22.
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I think in its original form it was pretty much compulsory. I guess things have improved a bit since then but there are still a lot of people who feel obliged to pay it. It's better than a flat rate of course, but I think there should be an income threshold below which they shouldn't expect them to pay anything, and a tithing credit system wouldn't be a bad idea in principle, though there'd probably be a lot of atheists turning up saying they'd got religion.
But yes, I think they should just leave it up to the individual what, if anything, they wanted to pay. I don't know who invented tithing. I don't think it was Jesus.
I think tithing, and the emphasis on simple-living, charity and rejection of worldly concerns are pretty fundamental to Christianity. They're also a reflection of how early Christians believed the end was near. It's a lot easier to sell the message of abandoning worldly concerns and earthly possessions if they'll be irrelevant soon anyways.
Tithing is both a tax to support the church, and an easy logical conclusion if you accept the general message of charity.
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It's a marginally better round, and I made a fantasy round based on it ages ago.
I think it works better in a lot of civilian applications where the 7.62 Soviet is sometimes used, like say harvesting deer. Not to say that the 7.62 Soviet isn't adequate.
There's thousands of little changes I'd make to various military procurements over the years. Another example that comes to mind is giving the MiG-27 a reasonable autocannon instead of the absurdly OP one it carries for real. I prefer my strike aircraft to not have random important things break when the gun is used.
Or F-23 > F-22.
I thought I was the only one who made fantasy wildcat rounds. I think the main thing limiting the 7.62x39mm in deer hunting is the lack of soft point ammo because most of the ammo is Full Metal Jacket.
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I think in its original form it was pretty much compulsory. I guess things have improved a bit since then but there are still a lot of people who feel obliged to pay it. It's better than a flat rate of course, but I think there should be an income threshold below which they shouldn't expect them to pay anything, and a tithing credit system wouldn't be a bad idea in principle, though there'd probably be a lot of atheists turning up saying they'd got religion.
But yes, I think they should just leave it up to the individual what, if anything, they wanted to pay. I don't know who invented tithing. I don't think it was Jesus.
Tithing was originally a tax system in the fertile crescent area thousands of years ago.....Judaism had tithing many years before Christianity and their tithe rate was way more than 10 percent.
I think in its original form it was pretty much compulsory. I guess things have improved a bit since then but there are still a lot of people who feel obliged to pay it. It's better than a flat rate of course, but I think there should be an income threshold below which they shouldn't expect them to pay anything, and a tithing credit system wouldn't be a bad idea in principle, though there'd probably be a lot of atheists turning up saying they'd got religion.
But yes, I think they should just leave it up to the individual what, if anything, they wanted to pay. I don't know who invented tithing. I don't think it was Jesus.
I think tithing, and the emphasis on simple-living, charity and rejection of worldly concerns are pretty fundamental to Christianity. They're also a reflection of how early Christians believed the end was near. It's a lot easier to sell the message of abandoning worldly concerns and earthly possessions if they'll be irrelevant soon anyways.
Tithing is both a tax to support the church, and an easy logical conclusion if you accept the general message of charity.
I dont think the early Christians practiced tithing. Tithing in Christianity came centuries after Jesus. in the first church in Acts the amount you gave was 100 percent instead of 10 percent. Christians in the first century gave everything in many cases....I think a more biblical way to practice giving in Christianity than tithing is the free will offering. I just view tithing as part of the Mosaic Law that was nailed to the cross. There is no record in the New Testament of tithing after the death of Jesus.
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So, the word tithe itself is a couplet of tenth.
From a quick overview, it reads like the concept of it being 1/10th comes from Jewish tradition, but that Jewish tradition normally includes 3 separate tithes, which would be like ~28% total.
Tithing is both a tax to support the church, and an easy logical conclusion if you accept the general message of charity.
I dont think the early Christians practiced tithing. Tithing in Christianity came centuries after Jesus. in the first church in Acts the amount you gave was 100 percent instead of 10 percent. Christians in the first century gave everything in many cases....I think a more biblical way to practice giving in Christianity than tithing is the free will offering. I just view tithing as part of the Mosaic Law that was nailed to the cross. There is no record in the New Testament of tithing after the death of Jesus.
For what it's worth, I only called it an easy logical conclusion from their broader teachings about charity.
The church seems like a pretty easy-to-sell charity case for it's members. If members believe in it's message and works, it seems easy to convince them that financially supporting the church is an expression of that belief.
That's what I mean when I say it's an easy logical conclusion.
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If you're not careful, the newspapers will have you hating the people who are being oppressed, and loving the people who are doing the oppressing. —Malcolm X
Real power is achieved when the ruling class controls the material essentials of life, granting and withholding them from the masses as if they were privileges.—George Orwell
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Tithing is by definition 10%. I can't find any reference to anything above that. Not that I'm saying no religious body ever expected more. It just wouldn't have been called one tithe. Apparently there are scriptural references only to Christians giving their money to the poor, not specifically to the church, though I've not researched the matter very thoroughly - as an atheist, it doesn't concern me directly of course. I can see how those who trust the church with money would easily be persuaded to let them mediate that kind of Christian socialism. Quite why they accept that church leaders are necessarily of good character is rather a mystery to me.
Tithing is by definition 10%. I can't find any reference to anything above that. Not that I'm saying no religious body ever expected more. It just wouldn't have been called one tithe. Apparently there are scriptural references only to Christians giving their money to the poor, not specifically to the church, though I've not researched the matter very thoroughly - as an atheist, it doesn't concern me directly of course. I can see how those who trust the church with money would easily be persuaded to let them mediate that kind of Christian socialism. Quite why they accept that church leaders are necessarily of good character is rather a mystery to me.
well what I meant is that the ancient Jews had about 3 separate tithes that the Israelites were responsible for. The Israelites paid way more than 10 percent back in the day.
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